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Should White Boys Still Be Allowed to Talk?

Leda Fisher ’19, Guest Writer

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When you ask a question at a lecture, is it secretly just your opinion ending with the phrase “do you agree?” If so, your name is something like Jake, or Chad, or Alex, and you were taught that your voice is the most important in every room. Somewhere along your academic journey, you decided your search for intellectual validation was more important than the actual exchange of information. Now how do you expect to actually learn anything?

American society tells men, but especially white men, that their opinions have merit and that their voice is valuable, but after four years of listening to white boys in college, I am not so convinced. In my time at Dickinson I have listened to probably hundreds of white boys talk. It feels incessant. From classes and lectures, to the news and politics, there is an endless line of white boys waiting to share their opinions on the state of feminism in America, whether the LGBTQ+ population finally has enough rights, the merits of capitalism, etc. The list of what white boys think they are qualified to talk about is endless. Something very few of them seem to understand is that their (ill-informed, uncritical) opinions do not constitute truth. In fact, most often their opinions aren’t even original. White boys spout the narrative of dominant ideologies and pretend they’re hot takes instead of the same misleading garbage shoved down our throats by American institutions from birth. 

I am so g****mned tired of listening to white boys. I cannot describe to you how frustrating it is to be forced to listen to a white boy explain his take on the Black experience in the Obama-era. Hey Brian, I’m an actual Black woman alive right now with a brain. In what world would your understanding of my life carry more weight than my understanding? Unfortunately, it is this world, where white men debate the pain of other people for fun and then take away their rights. The second thing most white boys seem not to understand is that they do not exist separate from the rest of the world. You do not speak alone, you speak with the weight of every other white man who has spoken over a woman, erased the contributions of queer people from history, or denigrated “broken English” as unintelligent.  You speak with the weight of policies and laws meant to forever define intelligence by how it measures up to the bros of America. 

So, should white boys still be allowed to share their “opinions”? Should we be forced to listen? In honor of Black History Month, I’m gonna go with a hell no. Go find someone whose perspective has been buried or ignored and listen to them, raise up their voice. To all the Chrises, Ryans, Olivers, and Seans out there, I encourage you to critically examine where your viewpoints come from, read a text that challenges you without looking for reasons to dismiss it, and maybe try listening from now on.

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564 Responses to “Should White Boys Still Be Allowed to Talk?”

  1. Scout Waverly on February 7th, 2019 10:07 am

    It’s not often that racist and sexist thoughts are married so well on the page, so kudos to the writer for creating this perfect storm of hate. Who will get space next on the editorial pages of The Dickinsonian? A Klansman? A gleeful misogynist?

    Is it meant to be a discussion piece? It’s not. Is it meant to be social commentary? It’s not. It’s a racially motivated attack, one that should be condemned widely across campus as if it were in fact written by a Klansman. And if we went through and replaced “white boys” with “black girls” and published it, there would be immediate protests on Britton Plaza and statements from the President’s Office condemning intolerance.

    The piece is poorly thought out, full of presumptions cast as fact (clearly the writer hasn’t taken any logic classes), and raging with stereotypes. You say of white boys “most often their opinions aren’t even original.” None of your opinions here are original either. Ignorant people have held them forever.

    Has the writer heard of the dangers of condemning all members of a group en masse? I’ll make an assumption of my own: She has probably been fighting that kind of thing her whole life. Now here she is embracing it in what can be only read as a racist rant that herds an entire group under an umbrella of hate.

    I’m frankly disappointed in Dickinson that a senior would write this.

  2. Erika Hvolbeck on February 7th, 2019 3:02 pm

    This article is inherently and horrifically racist. If I, a young white woman wrote the same article but changed “white” with “black”, I would probably have unmatched consequences. This article is horribly written, sounds appallingly uneducated, and has no merit. You are lumping a group of men together and racially stereotyping them. WHO has the right to judge ANYONE based on the color of their skin? White or black. It’s 2019, and we should respect everyone despite their race, ethnicity, class, or sexuality. To list “white names” like that was terribly racist. Imagine if I said people like Deshawn, Laquisha and Dayvon shouldn’t be listened to because they have “ghetto accents”, or because their opinions were “unoriginal”? Frankly, this article was horrible to read, and I’d feel like that if it was about Latino-Americans, African Americans, or Asian-Americans. No one’s voice can or should be silenced based on their skin color.
    You argue that these white college boys only want to search for intellectual validation rather than exchanging new information. This claim could not be more false. I must debunk your assertion that is is true, because the main reason why many people go to college in the first place is to have their views and ideas challenged and to expand their knowledge. I doubt a white boy who only wanted to have his belies reaffirmed would go to a liberal arts college. You also touch on the fact that American society tells only white men that their opinions are valid. First off, everyone in America is entitled to their own opinion. What makes America so great is our freedom of speech, whether that speech may go against common morals and values, we are all able to state our opinions in this country without persecution from the law. Overall, your article is absolutely one of the most ignorant, unscholarly, and remarkably racist articles I have ever had the displeasure of reading.

  3. Bobby Jones on February 7th, 2019 3:10 pm

    Did it ever occur to you that speaking in such generalizations – that ALL white males are ignorant and perpetuate institutional racism – is in itself racist? Simply because you had a different experience growing up doesn’t allow you to judge people by the color of their skin and not the content of their character. Sure, there are ignorant bigoted white males in nearly every college classroom. But to suggest that they should not get to speak simply because they are Caucasian males – or if you prefer to say “white boys” – makes you equally ignorant and unwilling to hear other sides of your misconstrued argument about education and exchanging information. Get a grip.

  4. Jonathan Murray, ‘84 on February 7th, 2019 3:22 pm

    This piece succeeded in its desired objective: as a “white boy”, it left me utterly speechless.

  5. Gary Peterson on February 7th, 2019 3:32 pm

    Brutal, unacceptable and socially irresponsible. To suggest one gender and ethnic group not be allowed their opinion in class is exactly what I thought to be the opposite perspective of the reform agenda, the opposite of what should be expected and the standards of the societal impact of the college experience. All opinions should be heard, digested and debated – censuring one group because it does not fit my view is numbingly small minded.
    While Ms. Fisher has every right to her opinion, I find her argument extraneous and ponderous at best, ethnocentric at worst. White folk arguing the black experience? Hell no, I agree because I can’t relate to that specific life experience. But to suggest “white boys” no longer being allowed to gave a voice? Preposterous.

  6. Matt C on February 7th, 2019 3:32 pm

    As a graduate of Dickinson, this makes me cringe. The direct accusation towards “white boys” is appalling. Just because we are white doesn’t mean we don’t have valid opinions. I may disagree with what someone else says but I would never suggest that they not be allowed to have their opinions. Differences of opinions are part of life and to lump “white boys” into a category is simply not right. I believe my opinions have merit because of what I have learned and studied not because I am white. If I thought this writer was wrong I would disagree like I am here but would never make a generalization to a broader group, thats how we get into messes like this. This was an attack at all the white young men who help make Dickinson what it is, just like all of the other students, all of which are all entitled to their own opinions.

  7. Student on February 7th, 2019 3:42 pm

    what? Dickinson allowed such comments? Ridiculous. The author should be reported to Dean of students for her hateful speech

  8. Billy on February 7th, 2019 3:50 pm

    This is so messed up. A take of a black women telling white men tp close their mouth. If the roles were reversed this would be all over the news for racism. So twisted and unjust

  9. Anonymous on February 7th, 2019 4:30 pm

    Leda,
    The same laws that allow these “white boys” to talk, are the same ones that allow you to post racist opinion articles like this. While there is no excuse for anyone to shut down your voice, your call for oppression of a general racial group is mislead. Since I am not “an actual Black woman alive right now”, I agree that I do not have the necessary qualifications to comment on any understanding of your life. However, wouldn’t this same mindset make you unqualified to comment on another race/gender (like white boys)? I think we can both agree that racist ideologies should have no place in this country (or anywhere), but please do not feel that you are unique to this subjection. Some of your demonized “white boys” have been subjected to antisemitism their whole lives (not to mention those in the 1940’s, who endured the worst genocide in world history). Why someone “whose perspective has been buried or ignored” be meant to exclude such a large and diverse demographic? In the future, please be more specific in who you choose to insult.

  10. Lynn B. on February 7th, 2019 5:06 pm

    Not only is this editorial poorly written, it is an example of what the author is criticizing. She is making assumptions about all “white boys”. I don’t argue that there are some entitled, opinionated “white boys” but in my over 50 years of life, I sincerely believe they are in the minority. I am college educated and have lived in the south and in Europe so I have been exposed to a variety of people. I have two sons – ages 26 and 17 – and none of their friends behave in the way that the author describes. Perhaps the students she is so angry with are simply participating in lively debate which is the purpose of attending college classes. It seems that the author is as close minded as the “white boys” she is criticizing. She may learn and grow by positively interacting with these students rather that condemning them and shutting them out of her world. While this is an opinion piece, I am surprised the editors of The Dickinsonian felt it was appropriate to publish.

  11. George Robinson on February 7th, 2019 5:07 pm

    This article is garbage, racist, sexist BS. I will no longer consider making contributions to your college. This is exactly what is wrong in todays society, Freedom of speech is one thing, hateful garbage like this has no place in College.

  12. Mary Jane on February 7th, 2019 6:34 pm

    I am sorry for your feelings of injustice and discrimination…I much rather read more stories of love than hate. I am a mother of a White boy who is attending Dickinson and also the mother of 4 other white boys. I have taught them to not judge people by their color, creed, financial status or difference in opinion. I am glad we live in a country where all are free to express their opinion. I have challenged my white boys to change your opinion of them

  13. Michele Minicozzi on February 7th, 2019 6:35 pm

    Dear Leda,

    Reading your article makes me sad. You see, I am a professional woman who, through hard work and determination has overcome gender and socioeconomic obstacles during times when women were forced to take home-ec classes in school and expected to wear skirts to work. My generation worked hard to pave the way for young women to have the same (if not, better) opportunities as young men today, regardless of race or socioeconomic status. Trust me, it was not easy. I came from one of those “broken English” households you refer to and continually felt held/dragged down academically, then professionally – depending what side of the tracks I was on. What pulled me up, Leda, were the women who were successful before me. I watched them work hard, and most importantly, carry themselves with grace in the face of adversity regardless of who was responsible. Forgive me, if I am unable to empathize with your plight of having to listen for 4 years to other students who don’t look like you have a different opinion. Maybe you were not aware when you enrolled at Dickinson College that the cornerstone of a liberal arts education is empowering students to deal with diversity and change.

    My hope for you in reading this is that you will step back and make note that the “white boys” you are attacking in your writing are most likely the sons of women who have faced far more adversity as a woman than you have in your short, sheltered life and as a result, they exhibit more respect for women as a whole. These are the mothers who, through their fight and sacrifice, have made it possible for you to have the freedom to write this article. Your blanket condemnation of their children is a slap in the face. If you truly want to “honor Black History Month,” you might choose to pontificate on the sentiments of Dr. King who made the ultimate sacrifice in hopes that everyone could get along, “Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.”

  14. James Pale on February 7th, 2019 6:54 pm

    There is not a single redeeming quality for hatred (in general) and misandry (specifically) … to that I say “hell, no!”

    This missive is nothing short of an angry, shallow, defenceless and pitiful rant that makes it clear that the author lacks the intellectual capacity for perspective, debate, rationality and self-respect.

    If you ever want to have a real job in journalism, that generates a respectable following, may I suggest that you turn the volume down and get a real education.

  15. Bill Johnson on February 7th, 2019 7:20 pm

    The writer is contracting herself. She wants free speech and expression only for people that share her background. That isn’t free speech at all. In today’s free for all media environment, the strength of your argument is more important than ever. If your voice isn’t heard then you’re not trying hard enough.

    This country is far past the time when voices are silenced. If the writer doesn’t believe that then she should ask herself how it came to be that she was accepted into Dickinson. This alone negates her argument.

  16. Concerned Student on February 7th, 2019 7:34 pm

    Wow, I can’t believe how angry this person is. I’m surprised at Dickinson for allowing this inflammatory post. This is one of the most racist writings I have ever read. This person is talking about taking rights away from a specific group. This sounds oddly familiar. The school should be promoting open communication and freedom of speech not hatred or disdain for a specific group. God does not like ugly.

  17. Helen on February 7th, 2019 7:38 pm

    This sucks so bad

  18. Nicole Bloomer on February 7th, 2019 7:43 pm

    This is one of the most hatefully biased articles against young white men that I have ever read. Your school should be ashamed of itself for printing this garbage that willfully bashes white kids. One would think a lesson was learned after the incident with the Covington boys, but apparently the blatant hatred and reverse racism against boys based on their skin color is something your school approves of. How disgusting that your institution pushes crap like this to infest the minds of our children. No wonder this country so screwed up.

  19. Scott Upham on February 7th, 2019 7:56 pm

    Truly disgusting. Dickinson has much to be ashamed about tonight.

  20. Aidan on February 7th, 2019 8:18 pm

    I am a junior in Highschool and I honestly think that this is disgusting. The fact that you allowed this to be in your college newspaper is a disgrace. If a white person wrote this, it would be racist. I am an Irish American and how dare you say I should not have a voice. The Irish were persecuted as well, and my grandparents weren’t here for any of the hardships that African Americans faced. How dare you say that my voice is any less important than yours.
    I am an honors student with multiple clubs, and I also maintain a 4.0 gpa. I would like to tell you I will share this article with my grade’s Facebook page and tell them what kind of institution you really are. This is disgraceful and I will never look at your school. I guess I am just another white boy, but you just lost an applicant to your school.

  21. Robyn Porter on February 7th, 2019 8:35 pm

    As a mother of white Dickinson student I find this article highly racist and offensive. While the writer has every right to express her feelings, this hate-filled rhetoric should’ve been posted on her own blog or social media outlets and not in the school newspaper. Unless, of course, the school agrees with alienating a large portion of the student body. For the record, I’ve raised a proud white son who’s opinion DOES matter. He has learned to stand tall and speak his mind. If someone has a problem with it, fuck ‘em. I will always have his back.

  22. Dominic M Fusco on February 7th, 2019 8:48 pm

    Not saying that there are not kids like this out there because there are. But, no every white boy at Dickinson is a full paying, prep school, daddy money moron. I go here on a ton of scholarships and worked hard to get here and do not think its fair to judge and generalize every “white boy” on campus.

  23. Ann Smith on February 7th, 2019 9:05 pm

    This is one of the most obnoxious, racist articles ever, and I am embarrassed to admit I am an alum. I have donated thousands and thousands of dollars over the years. With each passing year, I have become more disenfranchised with the direction that the Dickinson administration has chosen. This article is the icing on the cake! Dickinson should be ashamed to allow such garbage to be printed.

  24. Jen Wainwright on February 7th, 2019 9:45 pm

    I am so disappointed to see such a biased and hateful “opinion” posted here. What ever happened to objectivity, tolerance and open-mindedness? The blanket statements made are not accurate except for perhaps some small microcosm, the likes of which I can not possibly see being applicable to the students at Dickinson.

    News flash for Leda Fisher: Not all people of *ANY* race are the same.

    It sounds like you need to get into the real world, and be socially open to interactions with people of many cultures, many races, many religions. If your hatred does not blind you, then it would not take long for you to realize that among any given large group, there is a very broad range of attitudes, biases, insecurities, work ethics and other traits. In life, we should all be both student and teacher if we hope to make positive changes, to make the world a better place. Fostering hate and bigotry has no upside; it is destructive to society and ultimately to yourself.

  25. Jacob Herber on February 7th, 2019 9:53 pm

    This op-ed validated the analysis and prescriptions so keenly enumerated in Greg Lukianoff’s and Jonathan Haidt’s “The Coddling of the American Mind.”

  26. Skip on February 7th, 2019 9:55 pm

    What community standard does this HATE speech NOT violate? Shame on Dickinson College. Shame on the editorial board/committee that felt this is remotely appropriate on any level.

  27. Bean Chapman on February 7th, 2019 10:11 pm

    Everyone that says you’re racist is outing them self as hateful and ignorant. Their inability to accept critique from any angle and to bash with irrelevant keywords only proves this more and more right.

  28. “White girl” on February 7th, 2019 10:21 pm

    This is NOT feminism, this is RACISM!

    The fact that this was allowed to be published at Dickinson, is absolutely disgusting. To be honest though, I’m not shocked. The backwardness of today’s young “professionals” is beyond me. As a 22-year-old “white girl,” I cannot wrap my brain around such hatred for other people. The idea that the person who wrote this, and Dickinson, has come to terms with being perfectly fine publishing and TAKING PRIDE of an opinion piece full of RASICT, SEXIST, and STEREOTYPICAL comments should never happen.

    The first comment on the piece is 100% accurate, along with others. If “white boy” was replaced with any other racial slur, such a “black girl,” this would be all over the news, calling Dickinson a racist institution and the author would be kicked out. But because it’s the other way around, nothing will happen. It’s a shame as a “white girl” to have to sit back and read something so utterly repulsive and know that this is just the way it goes now. A “white boy” actually gets heard LESS because of how people make them out to such horrible people.

    And just for the record, not all “white boys” believe their opinion matters more than someone else because their white. Maybe, JUST MAYBE, their opinion matters because their a highly educated and want to share their thoughts.

    Very upsetting and very distasteful.

  29. White girl on February 7th, 2019 10:29 pm

    This is NOT feminism, this is RACISM!

    The fact that this was allowed to be published at Dickinson, is absolutely disgusting. To be honest though, I’m not shocked. The backwardness of today’s young “professionals” is beyond me. As a 22-year-old “white girl,” I cannot wrap my brain around such hatred for other people. The idea that the person who wrote this, and Dickinson, has come to terms with being perfectly fine publishing and TAKING PRIDE of an opinion piece full of RASICT, SEXIST, and STEREOTYPICAL comments should never happen.

    The first comment on the piece is 100% accurate, along with others. If “white boy” was replaced with any other racial slur, such a “black girl,” this would be all over the news, calling Dickinson a racist institution and the author would be kicked out. But because it’s the other way around, nothing will happen. It’s a shame as a “white girl” to have to sit back and read something so utterly repulsive and know that this is just the way it goes now. A “white boy” actually gets heard LESS because of how people make them out to such horrible people.

    And just for the record, not all “white boys” believe their opinion matters more than someone else because their white. Maybe, JUST MAYBE, their opinion matters because they’re highly educated and want to share their thoughts.

    Very upsetting and very distasteful.

  30. Scott Upham on February 7th, 2019 10:54 pm

    Freedom of speech should be broad, but the author crossed the line. Way over the line! Dickinson stands where on such vitriol. Acceptible behavior? I stand for these oppressed White Boys, particularly those harboring conservative tendencies. Please, someone set aside a safe space for them, as they clearly are the most oppressed minority on campus! When will we learn that identifying individuals by race, orientation, gender, or otherwise is about as narrow minded a view as one could have. I would have hoped for more out of the better part of $70k in tuition?

  31. David Allen Gerczak on February 7th, 2019 10:59 pm

    Well, my daughter, a Davison Young Scholar, with a 33 ACT (at age 15), can cross this college off her list. How embarrassing for you to write something so hateful and awful.

  32. Ray kooyenga on February 7th, 2019 11:37 pm

    Ok I listened. And I’m sorry I did. Your conceited envy is boring.

  33. Robin on February 7th, 2019 11:40 pm

    You people are freakin nuts…deranged…and VILE.
    MLK fought to end segregation… and now you lunatics want to segregate again.
    What’s up with the “seperate”” graduation ceremony for black graduates at Harvard????
    CAN ANYONE…ANYONE…IMAGINE…WHAT WOULD HAPPEN…IF WHITE GRADUATES WANTED TO EXCLUDE BLACK GRADS AT THE CEREMONY…. AND TOLD THEM TO HAVE THEIR OWN CEREMONY?????
    THE LIBERALS OF OUR COUNTRY…WOULD EXPLODE!! BUT… IN REVERSE….IT IS OK????????????????????????????
    YOU ALL PROVE YOUR HYPOCRISY… DAY IN AND DAY OUT… EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. ANY. OF. YOU. LUNATICS. SPEAK. OR. WRITE. SOMETHING!!!
    YOU. ARE. THE. RACISTS. HERE.
    THESE ATTACKS ON WHITE MALES… MUST END NOW.
    NO. ONE. SHOULD. BE. JUDGED. BY. THE. COLOR. OF. THEIR. SKIN…. E. V. E. R. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  34. Mary Smith on February 7th, 2019 11:46 pm

    lmaooooo all you commenting will be so ready to type away when white boys are finally called out but i don’t hear you when bryce dunio writes a racist/sexist piece about toxic identity politics or students and faculty posting articles condoning black face. and where’s your outrage at the kkk flyers passed out around carlisle? you all have never been forced to check your privilege and it shows.

    tl;dr your comments are racist, this article isn’t. i loved reading this piece and all the white boy trolls prove it’s point further.

  35. Michael S on February 7th, 2019 11:50 pm

    I see a trend in these comments: people condemning the article as an “attack,” and then saying something along the lines of “There would be so much outrage if the roles were reversed!” Or “You’re only allowed to write this article because of the laws you’re criticizing!”

    Yes, there would be a great deal of outrage if this article was written by a white boy about black women. Consider, however, that this article was written by a black woman about white boys and STILL is receiving a ridiculous amount of outrage. People are threatening to stop donating to the college, and stating that this article is obnoxious and tarnishes the college’s reputation.

    And to anyone who genuinely believes that this article is about EVERY white boy, or who believes that there was genuine advocacy for racially-based revocation of the first amendment, I’d suggest you read the piece once more.

    This piece of writing is a black woman expressing a frustration she has with society. The voice of a white boy is valued more in so many situations. In addition, white boys have a tendency to believe we know everything. As a white boy I find it really easy to call this out; I don’t get attacked for telling a friend he’s being too cocky, or speaking out of his ass. However, when a black woman does this, she is attacked and told that she’s a racist and her school should be ashamed. I know for a fact that Leda has experienced being talked down to because of her race and gender far more than I have; I’ve never been the victim of “womansplaining” or someone assuming they know more than me because of my skin color. But I should experience that, at least to some degree. White boys like myself have zero firsthand experience with the life of a black woman, so it would only make sense to shut up and listen every now and then.

    If you are a white boy who takes offense to this article, then it’s probably about you. It’s about a tendency we all have that is given to us by a society which conditions us to believe that if we talk long enough, we can make anything right or wrong. We want people to think what we say is correct more than we actually want it to be correct. Is the article’s headline click-baity or misleading as some have suggested?

    Who cares? This is an article in a college newspaper. There are a LOT of things that are genuinely poorly written. If that’s your issue with this paper, then go attack the other articles too.

  36. Lester Kymes on February 8th, 2019 12:03 am

    Google the author, she’s a Dickinson “Goodwill Ambassador.”

  37. Anne Weaver on February 8th, 2019 12:06 am

    Wow! My grandfather was the President of Dickenson for 14 years. His name was Howard Lane Rubendall. He and my grandmother, Carolyn Rubendall were there during the 1960’s and 70’s. They welcomed the Black Panthers into their home to hear their grievances during the Civil Rights movement. They worked hard for integration, civil rights and equality on the campus of Dickenson in Carlisle. They assisted in maintaining a peaceful and productive counter revolution on the Campus of Dickenson. I can’t speak for them but when I read what you have to say, I don’t see what they helped fight for. I see bitterness and anger from someone who is privileged enough to go to a school and receive an education out of the price range and realm of possibility for most Americans. I hear an unreasonable anger and hatred for others, and I see a slap in the face to those who participated in and fought an epic struggle in the Civil Rights Movement of the 20th Century.

  38. Dr. Martin Luther King on February 8th, 2019 12:14 am

    The stunning level of blatant bigoted racist rhetoric contained in this sickening glimpse into the mind of someone who puts gender and race ahead of all reason is another example of the failure of our education system.

    The horror.

  39. Jack Cimino on February 8th, 2019 12:35 am

    This is the stupidest thing I ever heard from this community! In fact, I barely see valid reasoning in the article but rather ramblings based on emotion.

  40. Goy on February 8th, 2019 12:49 am

    Ms Fischer’s racial group, aka the Bolsheviks have a centuries old racial hatred for the Gentile. They indulged this as they genocided 100 million Russians in gulags in the Russian Revolution. They’ve turned their sights on America and Europe, now.

  41. Bad White Man on February 8th, 2019 12:51 am

    Get it? It’s funny because white people are bad

  42. Medea Theresia on February 8th, 2019 12:58 am

    Everyone is outraged saying this article is “racist” and disgusting, but I simply don’t think it’s either of those things. I think it is a poorly written article about the same topic every other clickbait site and trashy feminist YouTube channel has been talking about for years, but it is fun seeing so many people get mad over this.

  43. Crispin Sartwell on February 8th, 2019 5:58 am

    I bet the admissions office is really digging on this.

  44. Anonymous on February 8th, 2019 6:12 am

    To all the white people screaming “racism!,” yeah… reverse racism? NOT A THING! Not even a little bit. You were so caught up in the fact that for once white people are being called out on their bs (specifically white men). They absolutely do talk over women and minorities, and they think they know more about the black/LGBTQIA/minority experience and are qualified to speak on it (hint: they aren’t). At my time at Dickinson I absolutely experienced this, the only time I didn’t was in a class with a total of three white men (who of course said they hated the class, it was on the subject of black women and racism/sexism so of course no one is shocked). Why don’t you take the author’s suggestion and go read some non-white literature and opinion pieces. You might learn something (other than the ideologies and rhetoric you’ve spouted your whole lives) and it might do you some good, but you’ll probably keep spouting nonsense in the comment’s section of every minority written article. Congratulations on not being able to take any criticism whatsoever (even when it’s not about you specifically), but I’m not surprised… and oh yeah, I’m white. It is in fact possible not to be a f***ing racist asshole and actually listen to someone else’s opinion and maybe change your behavior, maybe try it sometime! Good luck with your lives of ignorance

  45. Not jake or chad or alec on February 8th, 2019 6:15 am

    I find this article very surprising. After sitting through a recruiting event last summer I am surprised that it was not signed by the administration. Thank God we found out what the “institution” is all about before we subjected our child to such policies.

  46. Jack Johnson on February 8th, 2019 6:28 am

    Here is your unfortunate reality: “white boys” are going to continue to speak.

    I’m not offended by your views, I’m actually quite happy you posted this.

    Please share more of your racist philosophies.

  47. Crispin Sartwell on February 8th, 2019 6:57 am

    I defend her right to say this.

  48. Michael Serpa '15 on February 8th, 2019 8:22 am

    Leda,

    This is embarrassing – and you are a racist.

    Cheers,
    A White Boy

  49. Blake Benedict on February 8th, 2019 8:25 am

    Fire her. If this was satire sure. But it’s not. What would have happened if a white person said this about other races? From seeing the other comments it appears many would support signing a position to have her expelled. I’ll sign too

  50. Mateo Garcia on February 8th, 2019 9:18 am

    Should you still be allowed to write?

  51. Katherine on February 8th, 2019 9:23 am

    This author sounds frustrated. This author sounds tired from yelling so loud. I feel for her.

    We’re going through a demographic and cultural change in America where white dudes are no longer the default. I can sympathize (and, at appropriate points, empathize) that it’s hard to play “nice” with ignorant people who dismiss, trivialize, or treat minority groups worse. And, there are points in here that ring true (at least, to me): in my personal experience as a white woman, its much easier for white people to portray themselves as an “individual”, and not as a representation of their race. It’s compounded when you’re a dude. There are plenty of crappy male drivers out there, but it only takes one woman in a parking lot fender bender for the “female drivers” joke to come out. So, if you’re a white guy, it’s probably /really/ easy to see yourself as distinct and separate, rather than part of a group that has some really awful people in it.

    That SAID:
    You can’t expect people to not go on the defensive when you generalize. Screaming at white guys that they need to shut up isn’t going to cause “Jake” to seriously reflect on his actions or biases. I’m not exactly surprised there’s backlash from more conservative people.

    But time is moving forwards, not backwards. How will we all adjust to these cultural changes? In my opinion, belittling or throwing out more hate isn’t going to get you very far.

  52. Michael johnson on February 8th, 2019 9:53 am

    To the writer,leda jane kolbowski fisher- no group should be silenced.. you sound alot like the right wing mouth pieces you claim to despise. Ive literally heard tomi lahren say these things verbatum except change white boy to muslims.
    Congrats

  53. Will Scott on February 8th, 2019 9:58 am

    As an alumni, I’m ashamed that this kind of stuff is encouraged. Everybody love everybody.

  54. Fuckyou on February 8th, 2019 10:30 am

    No one gives a fuck what you think

  55. Mariah Weisenmiller on February 8th, 2019 10:30 am

    Hatred corrodes the vessel it is carried in.

  56. Dickinson Alum on February 8th, 2019 10:35 am
  57. Andre on February 8th, 2019 10:49 am

    This article was sent to Hannity and FOX news.

  58. Drew Thompson on February 8th, 2019 10:50 am

    The editorial board of The Dickinsonian is squarely to blame for this. Our college’s periodical must not be used as a forum for hate and prejudice. I sincerely hope the president and the board take the editor to task. How truly embarrassing.

  59. Jon on February 8th, 2019 10:55 am

    The Dickinson experience should foster open debate, not quiet resentment. If a student (of any background) has an opinion in a classroom setting that you disagree with, challenge it- this is a fundamental aspect of taking people out of their comfort zones and changing perceptions.

    Our classrooms should foster diverse dialogue, which is hard in the first place because Dickinson is admittedly not the most diverse campus in the US. Even more of a reason why you need to share your opinions and challenge the status quo in an open, moderated forum. Quietly seething over 4 years and letting it out in an extremely biased piece is not the way to make progress.

  60. Testing Newsdays on February 8th, 2019 11:01 am

    For a take that combats this ignorant perspective check out this article from Testing Newsdays below:
    https://www.testingnewsdays.com/home/white-boys-fear-for-participation-grades-no-longer-allowed-to-speak

  61. Dennis Dee on February 8th, 2019 11:15 am

    Disgusting articles like these only fuels White Supremacy groups. Gives them the ammo they want and need to grow,

  62. Isaiah Gibson on February 8th, 2019 11:18 am

    This is a great article that chronicles that black experience from multiple different lenses. It describes the unfortunate reality of black women. I think we as a community should be ashamed that we actually feel triggered by this to downplay the argument that is presented. Let’s all be honest Dickinson is not a place that welcomes race and accepts the challenge of addressing racial issues that arise. It rather attempts to tolerate race which is most spaces in America. For the people in this section that feels targeted, attacked, or ashamed Dickinson has failed you. However, Dickinson cannot take full responsibility for this, so in many ways you have failed yourself. It is important that you take a chance to accept the privilege that you do have and use it for positive change. This article is raw in emotion, it is true, we’ve all witnessed it or experienced it. So let’s stop pretending that the writer fabricated the narrative. Tighten up!

  63. Lauren on February 8th, 2019 11:18 am

    While the author is 100% entitled to her opinion, (and lets all remember that this is just an opinion piece), it’s scary to think that the extreme action of calling for the complete and total silence of another group is the only “answer” to her frustration.

    But what is most alarming is this shift in the authors tone from her previous article, “On Interfaith Dialogue” from April 2018, where she states, “As someone who craves justice and strives for peace, I know it is my job to work to create lasting peace…” What happened to the author that would take her so far away from her previous stance on unity, understanding, and want for peace? Has she felt she’s been silenced or stifled by other’s finding the courage to voice their own thoughts? And I say courage because she calls out very specific “won’t you agree” language, which I see more as weakness, asking if others agree, not prof of confidence.

    What I think, and while this is only my opinion, is that we should focus more on listening to everyone in the room, giving everyone a chance to speak not just the loudest voices. Silencing anyone, even the “majority” is wrong.

    And lastly… to the editor at the Dickinson who agreed to publish this piece? What were you thinking?

  64. Nathan D. on February 8th, 2019 11:21 am

    As an alum, Dickinson continues to disappoint me. Imagine if this article replaced “white boys” with “black boys” (or any other racial minority for that matter) – would it have been published? No. The author would be expelled and JUSTIFIABLY ousted as a racist. So why is this student author treated differently for making such sweeping generalizations? As a former white male student, my favorite and most thought-provoking course at Dickinson was my senior seminar entitled, “Race and the Criminal Justice System.” As I finish law school, the lessons learned and different perspectives that I came to understand and appreciate continue to influence me in a positive way. THAT is the purpose of a liberal arts education and should be the standard that Dickinson strives to achieve.

    This article is garbage and should never have been published. I wish the author luck in the real world.

  65. Glen Grimsdike on February 8th, 2019 11:37 am

    So if I was a “white boy” going to Dickinson college and wanted to write an article called “Should Black girls still be allowed to talk” would I be allowed to? Would the author of this article stick up for my right to free speech. I’d bet a million bucks (if i had it) that the answer to both of those questions is no.

  66. Patricia Davis on February 8th, 2019 11:41 am

    Best satire since Jonathan Swift wrote A Modest Proposal! Well done at exposing the consequences of pursuing identity politics and the new definition of racism to its logical conclusions.

  67. Lara Dunkelberg on February 8th, 2019 11:50 am

    To all of the ignorant white people commenting on this article: calm down. Fist and foremost, please, for the love of god, educate yourselves on what racism is. Racism doesn’t work both ways, there is the oppressed and the oppressor. You cannot switch this relationship and have the results manifest in the same way. That’s just not how it works. It is systemic, it is rooted in our country’s history. It is economic, it is social. It is taught to our children through TV, Movies, and schools. Secondly, the main point of Leda’s article is that she is tired of white men trying to speak about the black experience. How can you blame her? If you look past her provocative tone, she’s inviting you to educate yourself, and instead of speaking for the black community, just LISTEN to them. It is statistically proven that black people face more and longer prison sentences, face extreme income inequality in comparison to whites, and encounter gentrification, violence, and extreme difficulties in the work force. For just one second, pause to think that maybe you don’t understand the struggle that black people face. Because if you’re white, and you’re angry about this article, I can guarantee that you don’t. And lastly, if this article has made you want to stop donating to Dickinson, fantastic. Our students really don’t want monetary ties to ignorance and oppression anyway.

  68. Adam on February 8th, 2019 11:50 am

    What an embarrassment to the Dickinson community, students and alumni, this racist diatribe, it’s author, and the sycophants managing this publication are!

    On a positive note, if anyone needs the most compelling argument for the abject waste that is the real tradgedy of the student loan crisis in America, this author is it!!

    And, to the current Dickinson administration: as long as you keep propagating a Dickinson environment which is the anthesis of my Dickinson experience, at least have the guts and integrity to stop your repeated groveling for this proud white boy’s alumni dollars!

  69. Brian on February 8th, 2019 11:51 am

    The author of this piece of garbage is a pathetic race baiter. If you changed the word “white” to “black” in this article, the entire administration of Dickinson would be fired TODAY, there would be protests and probably a riot, and Jesse and Al would grace us with their presence! I’m truly embarrassed for Dickinson as an institution that they allowed such a pile of racist trash to be published!

  70. Maximus300 on February 8th, 2019 11:57 am

    And you are one of the school’s “goodwill ambassador’s”? I believe the administration needs to rethink its hiring process for the job.

  71. Cassie L on February 8th, 2019 11:59 am

    Wow these comments are unbelievable (yet somehow really not surprising). Ms. Fisher literally describes the exact type of white boy she’s frustrated by, white boys who talk over her and speak as if they have any kind of perspective into her life as Black Woman. If you are so offended, maybe ask yourself why you specifically are so offended by this opinion article. If you LISTEN and don’t PRETEND to know what life is like as a black woman, then you understand why she felt the need to write this piece.

    Like Katherine said in a previous comment, this author sounds frustrated, and tired from yelling so loud. I also feel for her. Listen to her instead of getting your panties in a bunch.

  72. Brad and Chad on February 8th, 2019 11:59 am

    Dialogue is always good, so from that perspective this article was effective. Some constructive critisism:

    This may have been a better read if you dove into a specific example of when a Brad or Chad behaved this way and how it made you feel. Take us through a journey or story and make us feel angry with you you.

    The way this article was written comes off more like a tantrum, with no shape or form.

    I get that you’re upset about systematic oppression and you feel that white boys are better off. Some white boys are better off than others by the way. I’d challenge you to find a nation that is more open and provides more opportunity for wealth and the pursuit of happiness than the US. We aren’t perfect and have a long way to go but in a large percentage of the world you wouldn’t have had the ability to even write this piece.

    Sincerely,

    Some white boy with an oppinion that may or may not matter.

  73. Adam on February 8th, 2019 12:19 pm

    What an embarrassment to the Dickinson community, current students and alumni, this racist diatribe, its author, and the sycophants that mange this publication are!

    But, on a positive note, if anyone needs the most compelling example of the real tragedy that is the abject waste driving the student loan crisis in America, Leda has provided it; thank you Leda!!

    To all of you white boys and girls out there that have surely enabled Leda’s Dickinson “education,” how do you feel now? Just think of all the ways the tens of thousands of dollars of student aid that have been squandered on Leda could have been productively employed on campus: new cushions for the chairs in the dining hall, higher quality toilet paper in campus restrooms, re-painting old metal trash cans Dickinson red, etc., etc.

    Lastly, to President Ensign et al. in the current administration: if you continue to propagate the poisonous environment that has allowed Leda to so egregiously abuse Dickinson and its community, at least have the guts and integrity to stop continually groveling for this proud white boy’s alumni dollars…good luck with Leda as your future basis of alumni support!

  74. jack burton on February 8th, 2019 12:30 pm

    Ahhh… just another undergrad girl vagsplaining to society in what direction her phobias are taking her.

  75. Dickinson Human on February 8th, 2019 12:30 pm

    I suspect that this commentary would ring more true to some if we were to think of “white boys” not as every white male, but all clueless people who take advantage of the authority they are automatically granted in society (as, often, white men), which women and people of color generally have to earn.

    By this definition, “white boys” are those who talk over others and speak first and longer than others. Not only do they do this, but they either don’t know or don’t care that there are others who have to fight for the same amount of air time.

    In my opinion, it isn’t that white men need to stop talking entirely. It’s that “white boys” need to understand that not everyone is afforded the same spaces and platforms that they are, and then make deliberate efforts to leave room for others to speak. In doing this, these individuals will cease to be “white boys” and simply become humans who listen as much as they talk.

    It is clear that the author is very frustrated. While I don’t know the author, I believe that she was intentionally provocative because she wanted to be heard. This isn’t surprising if her main point was that she feels unheard in other venues.

    I hope that those Dickinsonians who disagree with the author can look beyond the words that they disagree with and consider the conditions (which are not unique to Dickinson) that contribute to the author’s anger and frustration.

  76. The Sophomore Band on February 8th, 2019 12:30 pm

    The Sophomore Band is alive and well.

  77. Henry Cohen on February 8th, 2019 12:33 pm

    Leda,

    Thank you for your article, people are taking it the wrong way. Also fyi to previous commenters, it is conceptually impossible for a black person to be racist by the central definition of the word. Listen to other classmates, it might open your mind a little bit.

    For people getting mixed up about the actual definition of racism…

    https://medium.com/handwaving-freakoutery/the-two-confusing-definitions-of-racism-2d685d3af845

  78. Anonymous on February 8th, 2019 12:35 pm

    WORLDSTAR

  79. Jonah Kyle on February 8th, 2019 12:38 pm

    The “Dickinsonian” is more to blame than this George Wallace clone for allowing this racist diatribe to sprout. The Onion could not put out more satirical nonsense. And I resent the HELL out of my tax money, taken from doing real work, goes to race-baiters like this woman and the institution that ostentatiously teaches overt, celebratory racism to students like her.

  80. Luigi on February 8th, 2019 12:58 pm

    I have to say, that these reactions are sadly expected because the article is addressing a problem that most minorities have faced on campus and are somehow defended by mostly white people.

    For those who say that it’s racist because if you replace the word “white” with “black”, you would have to ignore the power dynamics in place on campus and in the real world. The article is addressing a real problem of people in power dictating the experiences and thoughts of underrepresented groups, both on campus, in society and in politics.

    Do you see that your comments are the exact reason that she needs to write this article? POC experiences have been attacked and invalidated for so long, and your comments prove that white experiences and fragility are somehow placed above our lived experiences and thoughts.

    She’s frustrated, as are a lot of people, of being silenced, of having white people’s opinions placed above her voice, and being invalidated.

    Can you not even sit down once, shut up and listen, instead of trying to tell her how to behave and think? Do you see the hypocrisy?

  81. Michael on February 8th, 2019 12:59 pm

    I think the author accomplished her objective – she got everyone thinking about whether the opinions of one group are privileged over those of other groups and whether members of some groups are not really interested in dialogue and in listening to what others have to say.

    For the record I am a white, male Dickinson grad and while I may not agree with everything the author says, those who think that the author does not have a right to say what she says or that the Dickinsonian should not have published it, are off the mark and don’t understand academic freedom.

  82. Disappointed on February 8th, 2019 1:00 pm

    Imagine the backlash this article would have had if it was titled “Should Black Girls Still Be Allowed to Talk?”. Leda, you should really consider your words before you speak your mind again…you deserve all this backlash that will be coming your way.

  83. Scott on February 8th, 2019 1:00 pm

    As a white male alum I cannot offer enough support to Leda for the courage to write this. The butthurt in the comments is totally predictable (my god, nobody cares if your 15 year old won’t attend Dickinson because of this article) and yet a gross example of how half the white boys couldn’t even read past the title without butting in with their own caustic attacks on the author. Sit down and LISTEN, fellow white boys.

  84. EDWARD M CHRONOWSKI 2002 on February 8th, 2019 1:01 pm

    It is unfortunate that the editorial board saw fit to publish a rant rather than a coherent opinion. It is also unfortunate that the author was not provided with some useful peer editing and constructive criticism to help make a clear argument. Instead we have an incendiary collection of words which neither makes a useful point nor provides pause for those the author attacks. This is not the college which helped me expand my horizons through reading many works and learning to write in a critical manner while being respectful of the other side. What are your first principles? Rising above hate or wallowing in it?

  85. paul S on February 8th, 2019 1:07 pm

    I pray that this person can overcome her pain and forgive anyone who has hurt her just as God will forgive her. I pray this woman repents of her sins and accepts our lord Jesus Christ as her savior. I say this prayer in the precious name of Jesus. Amen.

  86. Black Panther on February 8th, 2019 1:07 pm

    HAH! All you trashy scummy white girls acting like teachers pet when they try and side with our race and fight their brothers. LMAO. Go ,back to where you inferor barbie girls belong –with your worthless white men. The second we start telling you how it is, you’ll be just be like all these angry white guys. Did you think you could escape your racism and guilt by attacking your own race?. you racist colonal shitheads were born with it, and we will make you pay for it no matter what once we dominate this country and white people finally go extinct

    RE: ALL WHITE PEOPLE TRYING TO HAVE AN OPINION ON OUR ISSUES

  87. Meredith Meisenheimer on February 8th, 2019 1:10 pm

    I am so glad that there are students like Leda at Dickinson. The fact that this article is receiving such push back is evidence of how badly it was needed. It’s sad how so many ‘educated’ people remain willfully blind to the racist and sexist dynamics of power and privilege in this country. It would be really great if people would spend more energy being upset that these power imbalances exist, rather than being angry at the person who merely pointed them out. The reactions to this article are yet more clear evidence that Dickinson needs to step up the diversity of its curriculum requirements. An opinion piece in a student newspaper should not be the first time people are encountering the idea that this country has always held up white men’s voices as more important than the voices of women and people of color.

  88. Brad on February 8th, 2019 1:12 pm

    I am very curious about the specific repercussions the author experienced when trying to speak her own mind in classes at Dickinson college. She is implying that she was drowned out by the white men trying to offer their opinions and was thus diminished. Is this really true? Are the Dickinson professors allowing groups of white men to run roughshod over minority groups in classroom discussions? If so, I put the blame squarely on them as they are the ones being paid to preside over their classrooms in an equitable manner. If they are allowing the white boys to be intellectual bullies in their classrooms and quashing input from others then shame on them for letting this happen. It’s sad that the author had to resort to writing an editorial in the student newspaper to bring this to light to the administration. All this time I was thinking that the college was a pretty inclusive place where all opinions were welcome and that just because someone had a dissenting opinion did not mean that this disqualified them from participation.

  89. Katie Mosher on February 8th, 2019 1:14 pm

    I’m a white Dickinson alum. There’s a point a lot of people seem to be missing here, regardless of whether or not they agree with the author. It is not the same for a member of a historically persecuted minority group to be critical of the majority as it is for a member of a historically powerful group to be critical of the minority. The folks who claim reverse racism – who claim that this is an unfair attack because if the piece was written by a white student about black students the author would certainly be expelled- don’t understand that the two sides are not, in fact, equal. White people and black people have not had the same experience in this country. Call it institutionalized racism or not, this country was built by white people at the expense of people of color. This means that the dynamics that govern what is or is not acceptable cannot be the same regardless of race. It seems like everyone agrees that it would not be appropriate or acceptable for a white student to write an article like this about black students. But why? I’m assuming because we all understand the impact that the policies and behaviors of white people have had on black people. We understand that racism is inherently rooted an unequal power dynamic. So – it is not the same for a member of a persecuted class to criticize the majority as it is for a member of the majority to criticize a member of the persecuted class. Equality is not the same as equity. This is certainly not the most articulate response, nor do I ever comment on anything online,, but I’m astonished and disappointed by all the commenters claiming reverse racism. I thought this community was better and smarter than that.

  90. Matt on February 8th, 2019 1:14 pm

    Looks like Leda got the reaction she was going for. Now what?

  91. Shanqeequa Johnson on February 8th, 2019 1:15 pm

    I agree wit you girl. We blacks just can’t afford the good bleach to change our skin white. It is a miracle Jerome can get back from da hood wit any money at all, you know what I’m saying baby?

  92. Danielle on February 8th, 2019 1:15 pm

    Outrageously racist. As a once proud alumn, I am now embarrassed and ashamed to have been a part of a community that would allow something like this to be posted.

  93. Emily Rhode '04 on February 8th, 2019 1:18 pm

    Leda,

    It seems you’ve hit a nerve. Thank you for speaking up about your experience. I’m sorry so many are dismissing it in such hateful ways. I support you.

  94. Skip Stevenson '01 on February 8th, 2019 1:25 pm

    At a young age, my mother and father told me to “take people one at a time.”
    It has been sound advice for me throughout my life. I have had to interact with all kinds of folks of various creeds, races, colors, socioeconomic upbringing, etc., and I rarely find that people, when you get to know them, fit into the stereotypes prepackaged for them. I recommend the author step back and think about the same advice given to me over 30 years ago.
    While this editorial left me shaking my head for several reasons, the many thoughtful responses to it encouraged me, giving hope that dialogue can endure and we have objective thinkers in the community who are not afraid to be silenced regardless of their creed, color, or gender. We must judge people by the “content of their character”, which means the actions they take in their lifetime, instead of pre-judging them on their gender and skin color. …or as my parents simply said- “take them one at time.”

  95. BJ Shaver on February 8th, 2019 1:28 pm

    So I guess this is the natural outcome of hiring your college president from Nigeria?!?

  96. Matt on February 8th, 2019 1:29 pm

    Seems to me the author of this opinion piece is trying to secure post-graduate employment as a host on a cable news network or a member of the Huffington Post’s staff. Who needs a resume when you can spout drivel like this? You’ve managed to hit all the intersectionality high notes and paint young white men as oppressors. The job offers should be pouring in…

  97. Aleksandra on February 8th, 2019 1:30 pm

    I am empathetic to the experience at Dickinson which is of a particular, significantly non-diverse, demographic, but this is just a lazy, and ironically entitled, temper tantrum. This argument You absolutely have the right to free speech and to write such inarticulate, poorly argued tripe, and we as alumni have the right to not read it, but here we are, all of us reading away together. I am less disgusted with the sheer myopia of this topic of this article, which, although valid, seems to be derived from either a Tweet or a meme, and its complete lack of grounding in any kind of substance. What you’ve built here is a straw horse, an op-ed without sophistication, nuance, or solid reference to anything written by anyone with a gram of credibility attached to them. The slang used and the redacted profanity not only diminish the argument they obliterate it, leaving it back to where it started as a lazy, ill-conceived attempt to riff of a viral post on social media. Maybe try this again but with something other than social media validating your derivative personal experience and something with a peer review attached, then I think we’d all be more inclined to have a discussion.

  98. White guy on February 8th, 2019 1:31 pm

    I’m a white guy, and I love this article. I think she’s right about everything here. It’s funny to see all the white outrage about this. You people don’t know what racism is. Read a book! Great piece! Keep writing, Leda!

  99. Jammy on February 8th, 2019 1:31 pm

    I agree with the author and I’m a white guy who went to Dickinson (‘11). One question I have is where do we draw the line? Obviously white men should spend more time listening than speaking in women’s studies or African American studies courses, but what about Econ? What about physics? Math? I think men should be required to take some level of credits in courses that apply to women and minorities but this essay should be caveated with that so all these very angry white men commenting didn’t freak out like the world was ending

  100. Brian Grey on February 8th, 2019 1:33 pm

    It’s funny how defensive a predominantly white and affluent community gets when someone calls them out on BS. The point of this column is that we white men of privilege frequently speak very loudly and proudly about topics outside of our sphere of experience. And, yet, when a POC says “Maybe don’t do that” we get all offended.

    The reaction to this piece absolutely is proving exactly what the author was stating. Maybe we should be listening to the experience and frustration behind this point rather than forming a mob around the author.

    Dickinson has never done well in attracting racial diversity. While I attended, I used to joke that “20 should be a percentage, not a headcount, of minority enrollees.” Maybe we just proved that people of color are better off without us.

  101. Jennifer Hesse '05 on February 8th, 2019 1:39 pm

    When you become the thing you fight against, you’ve already lost the battle. As a woman in the IT sector, I know a lot about getting talked over by a parade of mostly white men. But it is never ok to shove an entire group of people into a drawer based on any common characteristic. Not race, not sex, not age, not sexual orientation.

    Does the author have legitimate grievances and points? Certainly. Is this article a result of years of frustration boiling over? Very likely. Is the answer a blanket condemnation of white males? Of course not. Making such a generalization would deny a group of people the opportunity to contribute and engage in society based on the color of their skin and their sex. Just because their skin color and their sex have been calling the shots for centuries doesn’t mean that these white males today have nothing of value to add to society. The solution to a profound injustice is not to suddenly inflict that injustice on the former perpetrators.

    If you have a problem with the way white boys act, then don’t turn around and act that way yourself. Do better. And don’t do the many white boys who would never talk over you or even think they understand your experience better than you do that disservice.

    Do not become the thing you hate.

  102. Gregory Bogosian on February 8th, 2019 1:43 pm

    In my experience this is how everyone operates. Everyone wants to share their opinion on everything. Everyone wants to find reasons to reject opinions that are not their own, and everyone thinks that their opinions are original, when really they were created by someone else long ago. So by your standard no one should be allowed to talk. People who don’t suffer from confirmation bias or intellectual arrogance are a myth.

  103. whiskey_tango_foxtrot on February 8th, 2019 1:46 pm

    What a bunch of dopes. Who listens to these spoiled children? Some day they may grow up, but if they haven’t by now, I seriously doubt it.

  104. Alumnus on February 8th, 2019 1:48 pm

    As a woman of color who graduated from Dickinson, I can relate to your experience. I don’t agree with your tone, but I support you.
    To all the people that posted angry comments- I am sorry for your lack of empathy, and I’m jealous of your privilege.

  105. mahayana on February 8th, 2019 1:48 pm

    This is obviously a young lady who is frustrated and in pain. I’m certain she has valid reasons for her personal pain. Make no mistake, she was wrong for grouping “all white boys” into one category for certain. However, the fact is, so many of you are doing the very same thing you vehemently highlight as ludicrous.

    I’ve read comments lumping all “others,” all “Leda’s,” all leftists, the Dickinson community or administration is somehow implicated in a variety of nefarious ways. All of the “us vs. them” is palpable. What a shame and shame on you. This is one opinion.

    Higher education hinges on civil discourse. Listen. Take it in. Process. Put yourself in another’s shoes. Then, in compassion for all others, respond without “lashing out.” Then and only then can we mitigate our differences through the one thing that truly binds us, our common humanity.

  106. Sean on February 8th, 2019 1:49 pm

    Why do we have to read articles written by an utter clueless dingbat? Obviously, the author has an inferiority complex. And why not? White men have invented virtually every important concept, product, innovation, etc. Modern medicine, modern science, modern literature, etc. Cars, jets, microwaves, nuclear weapons, life-saving medicines, chemotherapy, etc. Additionally, white men are responsible for creating the most powerful country in world history (the U.S.A.), the rule of law, rational thinking, etc. With the exception of the disposable douche, the traffic light, and race riots, is there anything that women or non-white men have invented? So my message to this dingbat is: Shut the blank up. We are tired of hearing from you . Yes, white men roll their eyes at AOC because she and her followers are complete fools. And we roll our eyes at leftists like you because you are so naive that we can’t stop laughing inside. BTW, when you wake up at age 35 unmarried, no kids, and on anti-depressants, just remember that the feminists told you to live your life the way you are living it now.

  107. Chris on February 8th, 2019 1:49 pm

    Minor in women’s and gender studies eh? You’re an intellectual dumpster fire, Leda. Soon your platform to spew racist hate speech will be gone and you’ll be forced back into your dark corner having gained nothing from your time except the now-meaningless validation provided to you by your gender studies professors. Black or white, opinions are equally valid. Except yours. Yours is garbage

  108. Alum - Class of 2012 on February 8th, 2019 1:49 pm

    Leda – This came across to me as a vulnerable, honest piece. As an alum, I’m disappointed but not surprised by the comments posted here that dwell on your title and completely miss the point you were making, further exposing how far our campus and alumni community have to go in understanding white privilege and raising up and honoring the voices of people of color. I wonder where all these commenters who care so much about “all people” are when people of color and other groups need allies? It’s easy to run to the defense of white guys. Doing so is something white women (like myself) have a history of doing at the expense of women of color. It’s not easy to share frustrations like those you shared, but I guarantee there are people on Dickinson’s campus and beyond who feel less alone in their own frustrations because you wrote this. There is a lot to be learned from the emotions this piece clearly evokes in readers. I hope anyone who reads this will do so multiple times, and reflect on rather than deny the truth of your experience. Thank you for sharing.

  109. Arab American on February 8th, 2019 1:51 pm

    Thank you for this article Leda. I was a student at Dickinson College, and mid-way through my time as a student, I heard from a close friend that another student, a white body who will go unnamed, was telling his friends that I was an “anti-Semite”. I never understood why, I barely knew him. Since I was raised across the globe and always attended international schools, my approach to making friends lacked criteria. I feel uncomfortable surrounding myself with people who are “like me”… that applies to social class, race, intelligence, opinion. You’ve probably guessed by now that Greek life was not for me, yet I had friends in every fraternity, and every sorority. Sometimes that worked to my advantage, other times I felt like my “loyalty” was in question, lol. Anyway, I think most people who are angry with your article have missed the point…. in society there is the Oppressed, and the Oppressor…. the Oppressor CANNOT ALSO BE the oppressed…. how does that make sense????? Do you think that labeling me “anti-Semite” had no effect on my experience at Dickinson? You’d be wrong to think so…. that White Boy, and later his white friends in his white fraternity, distanced themselves from me. This social injustice was not something I was remotely interested in addressing, and I never cared to bring up this issue with anyone. This is the first time I’m sharing it. We live in a society where blacks, queers and women are still oppressed…. that’s the reality… and we should be able to absorb their anger in all its forms (with the exception of violence). If you can’t take it, you shouldn’t be in this country. The “white boys” WILL face this collective bashing, so they might as well suck it up and do it with a straight face… how dare they cry about it when you threw your blanket of murder, slavery, segregation, and oppression on every other race group (in their entirety) that wasn’t your own. Don’t think for a second that 100 years of reconceliation is all it takes to suddenly have the privilege of not being grouped together and angrily bashed, white boys.

  110. O.B. Gesese '17 on February 8th, 2019 1:51 pm

    Black people are not a monolith in political affiliation or experience. This piece is what happens when the level of analysis being hammered into students is the dichotomy of oppressor vs. oppressed. It’s the Swiss army knife to all problems in the world. And the Dickinson faculty are complicit in this, if not the catalyst. Though Leda is free to express her opinions, I believe the long term consequence of such narratives being pushed within coastal liberal arts colleges is their own eventual demise. Look at Evergreen State.

  111. stylin19 on February 8th, 2019 1:51 pm

    You just put Shaun King in a trick bag.

  112. Cassandra on February 8th, 2019 1:52 pm

    My fellow commenters: Whatever the author may or may not be, whatever she has written or merely believed, be wary of the social lynch mob. To all the adults (most of us, anyway), be grateful that all the stupid stuff we believed, felt or screamed in ignorance, anger, and inexperience was not published in today’s digital age to follow us forever.

    The author will feel the effects of this article for years to come – and if she is smart enough to get into our beloved Dickinson, I think she’s probably already realized that. Every time a prospective employer Googles her name, every time she applies for a scholarship or award, every time someone meets her for the first time on campus, every acquaintance or significant other looking to learn more about her… they will find this. How terrifyingly sad.

    Yes. She used hateful, discriminatory speech that the editor should have culled with more argument and substance. President Ensign responded with a defense of free speech and “inclusivity” instead of the “hate speech will not be tolerated” rhetoric used for nearly everything else. These are wrongs.

    But what misfortune to have felt so much discrimination and sadness in her own life. How overwhelming must her anger be to blind her to the humanity of her fellow students and the irony of her own argument? And how devastating that these mistakes of her youth – along with the anger that prompted them – will follow her now and forever. I pray for peace for her. She deserves our pity. She has mine.

  113. Evan Camara on February 8th, 2019 1:53 pm

    KEEP IT UP LEDA!! THEY AIN’T READY BUT DON’T LET THAT STOP YOU

  114. President Trump on February 8th, 2019 1:53 pm

    Sad!

  115. Beth A on February 8th, 2019 1:57 pm

    As an alumnae, I am appalled by this article (moreso as the mother of a white boy). The author can certainly express her opinion, but to print this opinion in this forum, the college is lending legitimacy to this point of view. Can you imagine the Dickinsonian printing a similar piece if the author were a white male, and he was speaking of black women the same way? Not to mention, the generalization is totally unfair. Extremely disappointed with this piece..

  116. Elena Martinez-Vidal on February 8th, 2019 2:01 pm

    This is an Opinion piece. She writes her opinion. You can disagree but I think the kernel is that she is asking us to examine our white privilege. Further she is asking white men to examine their privilege. Her frustration is clear. No white person should assume a POC’s thoughts or experiences. Too many knee jerk reactions here in the comment section. Which tells me that many of you need to examine your white privilege. And I am white so don’t come at me.

  117. Testing Newsdays on February 8th, 2019 2:01 pm

    Ignorant and disturbing. Our satirical website Testing Newsdays has responded accordingly.
    https://www.testingnewsdays.com/home/white-boys-fear-for-participation-grades-no-longer-allowed-to-speak

  118. Steven Crawford on February 8th, 2019 2:08 pm

    I have never been so embarrassed to have graduated from Dickinson College in my life that they would publish such a racist article!!!

  119. Matthew Walters on February 8th, 2019 2:08 pm

    It’s not the minority’s job to package their message in a way that is comfortable to the privileged (like me). It’s a shame that the article put most everyone on the defensive and that they have invalidated your experience. I’m here to listen.

  120. Random White Guy on February 8th, 2019 2:10 pm

    Hah, most of the pearl-clutching and tears in these comments proves the author’s point precisely. Fragile egos, thinking so highly of themselves. You should do exactly as suggested and listen to some other perspectives before wasting your time on feigned indignation and outrage. The author has in no way oppressed you; she has challenged you to think. Most of you are failing the challenge and using the article as an excuse to spout some thinly-veiled racism and apples-to-oranges whattaboutism. Good luck to you, precious snowflakes.

  121. O.B. Gesese '17 on February 8th, 2019 2:14 pm

    Black people are not a monolith in either political affiliation or experience. This piece is what happens when the level of analysis being advanced on campuses, particularly within the “grievance studies” departments, is the dichotomy of the oppressor vs. oppressed. Though Leda is free to express her opinions, the consequence of such narratives being pushed by coastal liberal arts colleges is their own eventual demise. Look at Evergreen State.

  122. james twine on February 8th, 2019 2:17 pm

    Another example of the Bell curve in living color.

  123. Audrey on February 8th, 2019 2:20 pm

    I am a Dickinson Alumni and I am so proud to say that. Leda’s article is a brilliantly written satire of very real problems on Dickinson’s campus that ends with a productive call to action for readers. I am proud that Dickinson admits and has platforms for students such as Leda to express themselves and challenge our ways of thinking and conducting ourselves. I am proud that through my time at Dickinson the community helped me grow from someone who reacted negatively to expressions like this to someone who can see its incredible complexities while understanding how I am part of the problem being discussed and how I can try and change that. Thank you very much, Leda, for bravely challenging the status quo with your thought-provoking article.

  124. Loren Lolard on February 8th, 2019 2:28 pm

    This racist rant is EXACTLY why Trump will be re-elected in 2020. People are sick and tired of the incessant finger-wagging, scolding, and shaming by these ungrateful, hateful, privileged spoiled brats who have had nothing but doors of opportunity held open for them by others whose shoelaces they are unfit to tie.

  125. Reader on February 8th, 2019 2:31 pm

    Just think.

    Somebody at Dickinson – and probably several somebodies – read this over and said, “Yeah, sure, sounds good. Print it!”

    I definitely learned something about Dickinson College today.

  126. Peter Jones on February 8th, 2019 2:34 pm

    “To all the Chrises, Ryans, Olivers, and Seans out there, I encourage you to critically examine where your viewpoints come from, read a text that challenges you without looking for reasons to dismiss it, and maybe try listening from now on.”

    Leda,
    Apparently you see your anger as an asset which unfortunately won’t work out too well for you if you ever enter the world of commerce and find yourself on a diverse team with whites! May God forbid that you might endure rational discussions with those who most probably won’t share your views!

  127. Christy Fujio on February 8th, 2019 2:50 pm

    Leda speaks the truth; so sorry for all the privileged and fragile white people whose feelings are hurt by her piece. If she is angry, she has a right to be angry, and if you don’t see that because you are proudly color-blind, then shame on you. I will re-post Elena Martinez-Vidal’s comment from above as she said it perfectly: “…she is asking us to examine our white privilege. Further she is asking white men to examine their privilege. Her frustration is clear. No white person should assume a POC’s thoughts or experiences. Too many knee jerk reactions here in the comment section. Which tells me that many of you need to examine your white privilege. And I am white so don’t come at me.”

    When I see these comments from alums and students, I am reassured that my decision not steer my son away from applying to Dickinson was correct. Not much has changed since I graduated almost 25 years ago.

  128. Michele Jansen on February 8th, 2019 2:50 pm

    Its the comments such as Lara Dunkelberg defense of this writer that disturbs me even more than the original piece. Her nonsensical rationalization using Social Justice/Identity Politics ideology, about it being fine to attack the “oppressors” means any hate, intimidating speech or as we’ve seen in the actions demonstrated by groups like Antifa, violence, is justified when done by anyone who identifies themselves with the “victim” classes this ideology defines – namely everyone but straight, white men. So what does this ideology, social justice/identity politics, do? It dehumanizes the agreed upon “oppressors”, namely straight, white men mostly, with Christian, pro-life, white women being dehumanized nearly as badly. The dehumanizing of groups by societies is what has lead to the worst of human atrocities and behaviors….it is this very thing that leads to persecution, enslavement, and the suppressing of human rights. Yet they justify it by this self righteous idea of “white (esp male) privilege” and statistics that have many complicated reasons behind them but that they simplistically attribute to one cause.
    No, the writers “identity” as a black female does not justify her hateful rhetoric. With the indoctrination she’s likely received with the social justice/identity politics ideology ever more prevalent in society (which itself has become a very oppressive theology like belief system now, sadly followed blindly by many in this country), I can understand how she’s been made to feel the way she does. But we must be consistent and call out all such hateful, dehumanizing speech directed towards any group being defined by immutable qualities such as race and gender. So Dickinson, will you treat this kind of speech consistently? No matter who it’s directed against or by whom? As long as the consequences are the same, and you don’t selectively give different consequences to different groups for the exact same kind of racist, sexist speech, the community should be satisfied with your response. So have your been, are you being consistent?

  129. Ham Syde on February 8th, 2019 2:51 pm

    I wanna be totally straightforward with you…
    You will never, in a million years, get a job at a publication as prestigious as the New York Times. That little pipe-dream is never gonna happen. You will be blogging and tweeting until you are dead, and nobody will care. Nobody will ever read anything your wrote and say to themselves: “MAN THIS IS IMPORTANT! I NEED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS!” Nobody’s ever gonna read a page that you wrote and say to themselves: “damn I’m glad I read that,” it’s just popcorn, you write the mental equivalent of popcorn. And you will neeeever get a job at the New York Times. They’ll look at your resume and go “mmmmhummhmmmm this girl’s a FUCKIN IDIOT.”

    What do you think about that?

  130. A White Mother on February 8th, 2019 2:55 pm

    > Should White Boys Still Be Allowed to Talk?

    Yeah, but if you keep pulling stuff like that you’re really not going to like what they have to say.

    At this point either a backlash happens, or the American society that “white boys” built is going to get parasited to death as whites get forced to pay for their own destruction.

  131. Northern Sentinel on February 8th, 2019 2:56 pm

    Your views are those of a racist. You have become that what you profess to hate.

    I hope you let go of your hatred and get your emotions in balance with your rationality.
    You’ll be healthier and happier and your comments will reflect it.
    They will be unifying and constructive, not divisive and derisive.

    Hatred is not conducive to rational thought.
    Be part of the solution, not the problem.

    Have a Good Evening

  132. YD on February 8th, 2019 3:02 pm

    You sound very passionate, and your passion transfers to the reader. Thus, the ocean of passionate responses. I wish some of the responses were not so cruel. If you read them carefully you will see a lot of pain and some anger, probably on some level what you wanted your readers to feel. But you also in most cases hit an artery.

    You are a good writer for someone as young as you are. Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.

    As you get older you will learn that whenever you show/give 100 percent of yourself it’s not always well received, and mainly because each individual is so different. If you want to bring about change and be TRULY heard you need to learn how to be more diplomatic and you need to consider the impact of your words and actions. If you are going full force like you are here, no one will hear your message because they will be so wrapped up in their own feelings. So it’s waisted energy and a bunch of offended readers. No one feels good and no one wins.

    Let this be a learning experience for you. Keep writing. Keep learning. Keep being true to yourself and who you are but learn how to manipulate your public with a little more finess, so they welcome your ideas with open arms and not turn their backs at them.

  133. Phil on February 8th, 2019 3:04 pm

    I sure hope prospective employers are able to Google this young ladys name when she is looking for a job and find her enlightened views

  134. Alex Chad on February 8th, 2019 3:05 pm

    ‘I’m an actual Black woman alive right now with a brain.’

    It appears that statement is only 50% correct.

  135. Olivia O'Malley on February 8th, 2019 3:07 pm

    Hey Leda!
    I think your article was great and well called for! All of these people above are painfully ignorant and clearly uneducated about what racism entails and how deeply and systemically racism exists in our society and how it is basically the foundation of every major institution in the US. Just wanted to comment because I really enjoyed this article as a white person and think its ridiculous that other white people are calling it racist. You can’t be racist against white people. Keep up the good fight! There are people out there who are fighting too! Everyone above needs to chill and check their privilege. Dont let them get to you!!! This is an awesome article

  136. Roosevelt on February 8th, 2019 3:08 pm

    In a few short paragraphs you have managed to distill the total and complete intellectual bankruptcy of modern black, but particularly modern black liberal thought.

    In your feeble mind, everything is measured only through the lens of race. Thoughts, concepts and principles have no intrinsic merit to you. As a human being, I am saddened. As a black man, I am embarrassed. You do not deserve a diploma. Go back to school.

  137. Maria on February 8th, 2019 3:11 pm

    I don’t think I’ve read anything so racist in my life.

    What an pathetic, hate-filled, person.

  138. daniel on February 8th, 2019 3:13 pm

    I wonder if this article created any positive value in the race discussion at Dickinson. I wonder if it is “hate speech”, as defined legally or within the school’s codes of conduct. Moreover, I wonder if, perhaps, the Office of Student Conduct should expect a rash of complaints. I believe even my cursory reading of the school’s community standards suggests this student has violated the same, and the school, complicit (and even collaborative) in its publication may wish to prepare for an inevitable onslaught of litigation for violating their own standards and from students hurt in their safe space.

    “Dickinson Community Standards and Expectations for Conduct The expectations articulated in the Community Standards are designed to create an environment that supports a vigorous academic life and respectful community. Dickinson expects that its students will demonstrate standards of behavior that demonstrate: • Respect for Ideas • Respect for Self • Respect for Others • Respect for Community • Respect for Property

    “These standards apply to on-campus behavior, to behavior while studying in a Dickinson program abroad, and to off-campus behavior that does or has the potential to adversely affect any member of the Dickinson College community or Dickinson College… “

  139. White Boy on February 8th, 2019 3:24 pm

    Respect is earned, not demanded. Furthermore, one’s measure of intelligence is NOT predicated on the the color of one’s skin or gender. Sounds to me like this racist infant of an author cannot compete with other ideas, particularly from, “white boys” and is left with no choice but to attempt to silence the opposition. As a 19-year old child with a liberal arts degree that means next to nothing in the real world, I can understand why.

  140. Resa on February 8th, 2019 3:27 pm

    Let’s not pile on Leda for speaking her truth. Anyone who is not a white male can likely relate to the core of her message. Privilege can be so innate that it is unrecognized by the beholder. And the impact on those who don’t hold that privilege is real. Should white boys still be allowed to talk? Sure they should. But, they should think about what they are saying, where they are coming from, and how their words impact those around them. And then maybe Leda, me and others like us wouldn’t be so frustrated with them.

  141. Roosevelt on February 8th, 2019 3:27 pm

    I’d like to make one other comment that transcends this sad individual and her hateful screed. This kind of inchoate ranting encapsulates what is wrong with today’s black culture. I am a black man who was the first in my family to get a professional degree. I am a lawyer and specialize in child support recovery from deadbeat dads. I am appalled to tell you that 75% of the non-paying parents are black. 95% of these are men who have multiple children with multiple women. And yet, time and time again, I see the complete absence of responsibility for one’s own actions. Racism didn’t make you jump in and out of different women’s beds. Racism didn’t make you abandon your children. Stop using racism as a crutch or excuse for your own bad choices.

    There is no doubt racism exists. However, if all racism was gone tomorrow, people like this “writer” would need to invent it or some other excuse to avoid taking responsibility for her own actions and poor choices. You have a problem with the state of Black America? Black people should look in the mirror.

  142. Rosie SP on February 8th, 2019 3:32 pm

    I find it beautiful that the first few comments on this article affirm the point the article attempts to make altogether- that white boys don’t listen. If you think your disclaimer about everyone being entitled to their own opinion is validation, it really isn’t. Historically, legally, socially, and economically black women have not had any value given to their public opinion meanwhile white boys have since the conception of “civilization”. For everyone saying this article is unscholarly, do your own damn research. Michelle Obama says the same gist of this article in her book. Countless other black women have said the same thing over the years but instead of using a google search bar to edify yourselves, you continue to sit arrogantly, defiantly, self-righteously and altogether entitled, ready to dismiss a black woman for saying that she feels dismissed, all because she wasn’t polite enough for you. It is not her job to teach you nor to conform to the academic tone of voice that you all so desparately need before anything seems credible to you. Its not her job to provide the scholarly resources. With all do respect, please go read a book by Toni Morrison, Audre Lord, Maya Angelou, James Baldwin, Richard Wright, Michelle Alexander, Ta-Nehisi Coates, Trevor Noah etc before you have the audacity to even attempt to critique a woman of color again. Read the racist diaries of Christopher Columbus and countless other white men who profited from literal black bodies and learn to appreciate the precedent that their sadistic work has left and is still practiced today. All black women, including the author of this peice, have read your history so contrary to what you may think, she’s more informed than you are. Maybe read her history for a change?

  143. Louis Grossman on February 8th, 2019 3:33 pm

    It’s amazing to see the furor this piece created. This woman has an absolute right to be heard, and anyone who thinks the Dickinsonian should not publish her views is not a supporter of our first amendment. The woman is expressing her rage as a black woman on the black experience, and maybe some white people cannot comprehend that. I learned that in a seminar course in 1969 at Dickinson called “Perspectives on Race” taught by fellow student Saidi Komozi. The reaction here by many white students is similar to those some have had against “Black Lives Matter.” Rather than react negatively fellow Dickinsonians, use this an opportunity to learn about the black experience and to help create dialogue. I believe that is what President Ensign suggested in her letter on Facebook today. It seems like there will be days ahead planned that will make Dickinson better. Lou Grossman , ’73

  144. Mariah on February 8th, 2019 3:35 pm

    So sad to see so many Dickinsonians did not get a good enough liberal arts education to learn that you can’t be racist against white people and you can’t be sexist against men. Anyone offended by this post or claiming that it is as bad as something written by a Klansmen can personally eat my ass. So glad I graduated and am not at this embarrassment of an institution anymore.

  145. Ronnie Little on February 8th, 2019 3:39 pm

    I know mirrors were once banned at Dickinson, but here’s a time the ‘writer’ should stare into one.

  146. gabe vazquez on February 8th, 2019 3:44 pm

    id give my reaction, but considering the color of my skin and my sex I take it you’re not interested. I get that intrinsic oppression drives this kind of emotional response, and I hope we see the end of the kind of social phenomenon youre describing in our lifetime. Not sure this route is effective, but if it helps people process their emotions from the crazy traumatizing world we live in, so be it. Sorry for spewing that all over the place from my position of privilege, im working on it.

  147. Randwulf on February 8th, 2019 3:48 pm

    I see Dickinson is intent on becoming the next Evergreen. This “opinion” is a volcano erupting racist lava towards white males. There was no discussion in this racist’s “opinion”, rather it was a relentless attack on people based on gender and percentage of integument melanin. Gross and offensive to allow such intolerance in 2019.

  148. Estefany Valera on February 8th, 2019 3:59 pm

    I am inspired by this. Inspired that as a Black woman you have taken the power to tell us about your experience being in a predominantly white institution. As a first year student, who identifies as a Latina, I cannot express how enraged it makes me to read comments about ignorance and self victimization when all you did was demand that voices of color be elevated. Please continue to express your concerns, it does not just stop here. No one can invalidate your lived experiences, no one can take away your power. Best believe I’ll be there for Margee’s little “talks” addressing this and will be supporting you along the way!

  149. Susan on February 8th, 2019 4:03 pm

    Thank-you, Leda, for writing this. Good work, Dickinsonian editorial staff, for publishing. I hope Dickinson as an institution is continuing to do the work of exposing how institutionalized racism shows up on its campus, but I’m not surprised that white dudes doing all they can to dominate the classroom and beyond is still an issue. I am a Dickinson alumna from 10+ years ago, and it was certainly a thing then. Any forum that lifts up the voices of people of color, the LGBTQI+ community, and anyone else from marginally represented groups sharing their experiences is supported by me. The best parts of my Dickinson experience were those in which I intentionally engaged with people from different backgrounds and in which I was challenged to stretch my perspective. Sometimes I was asked (or even told) to be quiet and to listen to someone else. It was uncomfortable. And I am better for it.

  150. Maddie on February 8th, 2019 4:06 pm

    This is one of the worst things I’ve ever read- uneducated, ignorant, and simply dumb. It is horrifying that college campuses are teaching young people to think this way. Truly disgraceful and outrageous

  151. Brad on February 8th, 2019 4:11 pm

    So let me get this straight. You have been repeatedly talked over and shut out of classroom discussions at Dickinson to the extent where the only feasible solution is for all the white boys to be totally silenced from this point forward. All this has happened while presumably your professors sat idly by watching and letting it happen. If this has been the case, why did you continue to attend a college where this was happening right out in front of everyone to the tune of over $70,000 per year? Did you ever bring this up with the administration or did they shut you down too?

  152. Eduard on February 8th, 2019 4:17 pm

    The claim has been made in the comments that blacks cannot be racists, although no support has been provided for the claim. A short search on the Web finds that racism is “prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race,” which is what the writer of the article did in her illiterate piece. As someone who immigrated from Europe, lived in New York for 13 years, and suffered from the brutal racism the blacks “extended’ to me as a welcome both at work and at York and Hunter College, I should know. Does the writer think that “speaking.her mind” like this will make things better between whites and blacks? If so, she is delusional. Articles like this will not unite, but segregate again the United Stated and.the fault will be with people like her, no matter what is the color of their skin.

  153. Benjamin Rush on February 8th, 2019 4:21 pm

    “Temperate, sincere, and intelligent inquiry and discussion are only to be dreaded by the advocates of error. The truth need not fear them”

    At least Leda had the guts to post under her name

  154. Michael scott on February 8th, 2019 4:29 pm

    If the education at Dickinson were so constructive and instructive, it would have abandoned this angry social justice warrior brainwashed stance obviously indoctrinated in this young woman and replaced it with a simple phrase – judge them by the content of their character and not the color of their skin (or their gender)… this applies to all but is usurped by blacks (and women) trying to climb to a position of superiority through the ruse of equality.

    The threads of bigotry and the klan were weaved around the idea that white men were superior and those deemed inferior didn’t matter. How is anything this young misguided woman saying any different ? It isn’t. Replacing bigotry with bigotry was never the call of MLK or any true social activist but these current anti white male bigotry movements today stand as testament to the fact that white men aren’t the only humans capable of promoting bigotry. Screaming ‘white boys’ repeatedly through your pen might ease whatever anger stews inside of you, but it is bigoted just the same.

  155. Mackenzie on February 8th, 2019 4:30 pm

    As a white person myself, I would recommend that before commenting, all white people should look up the definition of white fragility as well as the difference between racism and prejudice. More importantly, consider reading the article for a second time instead of commenting at all. I don’t exactly know how to leverage my white privilege to support voices like this being shared, but I am eager to figure it out.

  156. D on February 8th, 2019 4:31 pm

    I agree with some of your points that this article wasn’t well thought out, but I believe she does have a right to speak her mind and I agree that her points can use some polishing. Her argument of new data or beliefs being passed among the white community. When it comes to political ideology white parents choose to influence their children a lot when it comes to political views that is why we have people like Trump today whose a wealthy imbecile on national stage making a out of himself because he’s never faced struggle the only struggle he’s faced is going bankrupt and still he has money hidden elsewhere. College should be somewhere people can come and be opened minded to different ideas we are not asking for you to relate we are asking you to listen to us as your laws have oppressed black and brown people for years, when you move into our communities and create laws to oppress our culture, obviously when you move into a community of color their culture is going to be different from what you are use to but the way you guys try to reshape these communities to reflect a community ideological to a white image. I am not saying that white males opinions should not be valued, I am saying that their opinions over certain topics are less valuable than of people of color and it works vice versa. An opinion without experience of the topic is always going to matter less when there is a person of experience. Going back to these ignorant ideologies that are passed down I ask you to question your parents beliefs of the POC community as there has been preexisting articles which target the POC community. Again, I want you people to question those beliefs of your parents which are racist and stereotypical against groups of race and I want to ask you to be open to different ideas.

  157. David Shulman '73 on February 8th, 2019 4:41 pm

    Leda’s opinion piece is deliberately provocative and is different every time I read it. There is a mix of satire and sincerity that is confusing and invites multiple questions and interpretations. Who are these “white boys” she is addressing? All white boys? Maybe. All of the time? Maybe not. It is the behaviors that are really being targeted. Think of a stereotypical male Fox news commentator, or a bigoted anti-female anti-gay, anti-science political hack. I can understand only a small part of how tired she must be of that way of thinking. How much of that pompous thinking and declaiming is echoed and embraced by her fellow students? How many are close-minded to experiences and information beyond the information silo they are in? Turn the question on its head. How many on the extreme left are also similarly blinkered and siloed in the identity politics that may reductively portray their adversaries? In some way, I feel both sides are being criticized. But as Leonard Cohen says, “but I may be wrong.”

  158. afyia on February 8th, 2019 4:44 pm

    Very predictable to see so many fragile white people (white boys, as well as the women who make them) thinking anyone cares an iota what they think.

    You total essence is the root of all evils in this country and in the global environment; and your denial of it is so endemic that eventually policy (however covert and unsuspected) will need to be implemented to phase out your influence in this society and, in time, our (as in not your) world. The pathology of America’s problems is whiteness, and as long as white people have freedom progress and true societal welfare will never be achieved.

  159. Amanda on February 8th, 2019 4:47 pm

    Wow. I’m sorry that more readers aren’t able to step outside concern for themselves and their own comfort and consider the points being made by Leda Fisher. Is her style aggressive? Yes. Are her points valid? Also yes. The responses that focus on the proposition that this opinion would be clearly unacceptable if the roles of “white” and “black” were reversed are particularly misguided, creating a false equivalency between being a member of a historically subjugated minority and being a member of the privileged majority. I urge readers to put aside their hurt feelings for a minute and think about it.

  160. Katherine Norris on February 8th, 2019 4:50 pm

    To call out racism is not racist. To call out sexism is not sexist. Of course people would be outraged if the article had said that black girls should not speak, because for generations the opinions of black girls have been suppressed or denigrated. The same can certainly not be said of white boys. Does the author sound angry? Yes. Is the article full of hate? I sure didn’t see it. I’m amazed at the people who feel that this kind of a provocative piece has no place at a liberal-arts college. As a white alumna, I remember a lot of racism at Dickinson, and I had hoped that things had changed in the thirty-something years since I graduated. In the MeToo movement, the point is not to blame all men, but for all men to take a look at themselves and say, “Do I do this?” It won’t hurt white boys to search their souls a bit and ask if they are spouting opinions about things they don’t really understand.

  161. Not Jake on February 8th, 2019 5:01 pm

    Where is the administration comment? The president Is so quick to be outraged and offended when a KKK flyer is found somewhere in Carlisle and has nothing to do with the college. Yet can not comment when her own staff has produced and promoted an individual who would write such things and another that would publish it. It would seems obvious where her opinions lie.

    It is so sad to see what has become of a College that at one time was so well respected.

  162. Wawa Scrubs on February 8th, 2019 5:04 pm

    Those white boys you so hate, some of them have paid full tuition so that other less fortunate students could attend. If you don’t want to here white men talk or have opinions maybe you should’ve chose another school where participation is not as important to final grades. Furthermore, your inability to develop an effective argument shows that maybe you’ve been owned a couple of times in debates with white men. There is very little intellectual knowledge into this piece which makes sense because facts don’t care about your feelings.
    You are on track to receive a highly prized liberal arts degree from Dickinson. You are not a victim so stop falling into the victimization game the left loves to push onto minorities to secure their vote. You have made it this far there is no reason you cannot succeed. The only person that will prevent you from doing so is you.

  163. Ben on February 8th, 2019 5:06 pm

    I am truly amazed that so many people are offended by this article. If you are surprised by anything that you read here you are completely out of touch with the teachings of this college. These ideas are what is being promoted by the administration

  164. DickinsonMom on February 8th, 2019 5:07 pm

    One of the drawbacks of a Dickinson education is the lack of name recognition from which the college suffers. Sadly, since at least one commentator from a major news network has picked up on this story, Dickinson will soon be notorious. How unfortunate for all the college’s current students and recent alumni to be associated with such infantile intolerance and racism.
    Many posts have already articulated my thoughts, but let me say that l think President Ensign let everyone down by not condemning this hate speech. Opinions and racial vitriol are one thing, but this writer actually named names. Of course she may have randomly made them up–modern day Tom, Dick and Harry’s–but nevertheless, imagine how unsafe the white male Dickinson students with those specific names will now feel in class?
    Secondly, I am astounded that often those who speak out the most vociferously about race issues are so limited in their analysis. NEWS FLASH: Many of your fellow students are biracial, including my daughter. As our society evolves, there will be even more interracial marriages and partnerships. Have you noticed all the advertising campaigns lately that show mixed race couples? Have you learned anything from the genetic testing fad about the prevalence of diverse ancestry? What if your classmate who seems to be African-American just like you has a “white boy” for a father or brother? You and your ilk are on a path to devouring your own selves.

  165. Alyson McAtee on February 8th, 2019 5:07 pm

    WOW LEDA! YOU ARE A BLACK HISTORY ICON! Thank you for your voice. Thank you for your critique of our society. Thank you for encouraging people to listen to us and acknowledge our truths.

  166. Michael Eisner on February 8th, 2019 5:13 pm

    You know what. In the business world, you often have to listen to others with different viewpoints. Back when I was the ceo of a major entertainment corporation. I would have to listen to, acknowledge, and comprehend the experiences of other team members in the board room. Your “argument” that because there are a bunch of young white males then we shouldn’t listen to them on topics like black history month, is abhorrent. We cannot advance a society where one individual is diminished based on his skin color. We dealt with this problem before, we learned from it, and society, as a whole, matured from it . Please stop bringing racism back Leda Fisher.
    .
    You’re the problem. You’re the bigot. Either learn to listen and respect others, or stay home.

  167. Hugh Mongus on February 8th, 2019 5:29 pm

    How did you get admitted to a college? The stock value of the Bachelor Degree is in a freefall. Short sell it now.

  168. Joseph Gelula on February 8th, 2019 5:31 pm

    It really is a shame. There is a lot of good critique and criticism in this piece, however it is overshadowed by the overgeneralizations, and prejudice. There are a lot of people who come here wanting their views validated and don’t really look to educate themselves on the experiences of others. There are people who benefit from privilege and refuse to listen to the experiences of PoC which could change their perspective. I get it is really frustrating when people take up too much space in conversations on topics they would probably do better to listen to, especially when it is people claiming to know more about an identity that they don’t hold than someone who does. But the overgeneralizations and prejudice really went to far. There are some things that we say in publications and some we say among friends. It’s your choice but you should know that you represent your college and now a lot of right wing groups and public figures are going to eat this up and try to smear the college for it. This also just reaffirms the negative beliefs of the very people you’re trying to educate.

  169. John Hopkins '72 on February 8th, 2019 5:48 pm

    I would have been unaware of the kerfuffle without President Ensign’s email. Hopefully, Ms Fisher’s opinion is part of an independent study research project, in which case she has much to analyze. Otherwise, her opinion and some of the responses reflect poorly on the old gray walls. I had the impression that the institution had expended a great deal of effort encouraging civility in recent decades, but clearly some have yet to embrace the concept. Mercifully, free speech is still, for the most part, valued and protected in our republic. My observation is that the article and the comments suggest that Dickinson and we Dickinsonians would benefit from a more serious and deliberate consideration of virtue, personal responsibility, and the consequences of our words and actions. pietate et doctrina tuta libertas

  170. Laura Ramos on February 8th, 2019 5:51 pm

    Solidarity, Leda!

  171. MARK S MASTON on February 8th, 2019 5:59 pm

    It appears you are against freedom of speech. Shameful from a college that should support free speech.

  172. John on February 8th, 2019 6:04 pm

    This article is all the evidence we need that our education system is failing us. The hate and intolerance expressed by this self-proclaimed morally superior author would sell well in Stalinist Russia, or Nazi Germany or Maoist China, but not in the United States where we actually value a diversity of opinions and don’t suppress anyone’s speech (unless it is a leftist trying to suppress a conservative). To blame one group (because of their gender and color of their skin) for the wrongs of history that they had nothing to do with, is ignorant at best and dangerous at worst. Martin Luther King, who said that he had a dream that people “not be judged by the color of their skin, but the content of their character” is rolling over in his grave right now. Let’s not forget, it was also white men (Republicans) that ended slavery (which was backed 100% by northern and southern Democrats) and white men (Republicans in higher proportion than Democrats) that passed the Civil Rights Act.

  173. Roosevelt on February 8th, 2019 6:05 pm

    Fragility?

    What has to be addressed here is black fragility. We’ve reached a point in the black community where contrary views cannot be considered, where personal responsibility is avoided wherever possible and that any problems (self-inflicted or otherwise) must—MUST—be the fault of white people. No other possibilities can be allowed. Racism is actually NECESSARY in order to prevent uncomfortable questions from being asked.

    This is extremely unhealthy. Generations of African-Americans have been inculcated with a self-defeating persecution complex. The idea that a black person’s ideas or words cannot be challenged is intellectually malignant and itself inherently racist because it suggests blacks can’t get out of the shallow end of the intellectual pool. A screed such as this writer has created is reminiscent of a petulant child putting her fingers in her ears to block out challenges she is not equipped to handle.

    There is much blame to go around. Many of the comments from white people applauding this logical travesty appear to be from enablers who perpetuate a very real racism of low expectations. To these people, I acknowledge that you may think you are helping, however, as a black man watching the continued dumbing down of our culture, I can categorically tell you that you are not helping.

  174. Leon on February 8th, 2019 6:07 pm

    As a white boy starting college this fall, this piece only encouraged me to speak up louder and prouder when I get there. Thanks!

  175. Lyn Anderson on February 8th, 2019 6:18 pm

    You can’t defeat hate with hate. You can only defeat hate with love… but trying to stop hate with hate remains immensely popular.

  176. Cameron on February 8th, 2019 6:20 pm

    This does a grave disservice to anyone/any group that identifies as left-of-center and stands against regressive ideologies. Like our own Dickinsonian Dr. Frankenstein, Ms. Fisher has breathed life into a straw man, and reinforced caricatures of the left that the MAGA crowd loves to perpetuate. This piece is a prime example of the type of fringe drivel that makes its way straight onto the front pages of Breitbart, InfoWars, and far-right social media pages everywhere under the “Here’s What All Liberals Believe and Behave Like” heading. To no one’s surprise, as of today it’s already showing up in some of these places.

    Alienating allies is not how coalitions are built.

  177. 2001 Alum on February 8th, 2019 6:28 pm

    The writer of this article sounds frustrated. While it could have been more well written, I can personally relate to her frustrations. I graduated from Dickinson in 2001 and knew instinctively exactly the kind of person she was calling out. To put that in context, I am a white, weathly, privileged, highly educated woman and I also felt this way very often when I was at Dickinson. I got so tried of being bulldozed in discussions when I attended classes by a certain type of person that I eventually gave up participating at all. Making all this worse is that fact that Dickson was only 30% male at the time I attended. It felt like a certain part of the male cohort spewed out 95% of the discussion and opinion, leaving little airtime for women’s voices or opinions to be heard – minorities even less. Dickinson is a great school in a lot of ways, but when I attended I didn’t really feel like it was inclusive at all and like I said, I’m from a privledged white background, so I can only image that it is likely much worse for the writer of this article. I hoped that aspect of Dickinsin had changed in the past 18 years, but perhaps it hasn’t. I know it’s hard for a lot of people to accept, but white men really do still have a sizeable advantage over women and minorities in many many aspects of life. Many, but of course not all, still do not realise that and benefit from it anyway, or worse, use it to their advantage or abuse it.

  178. Talia Barnes 17' on February 8th, 2019 6:30 pm

    Personally, I’m glad this was published, because I think it sheds light on the ugly-but-predictable consequences of adopting an identity-driven ideology: identity-based prejudice. It seems to me that if members of the the Dickinson community cannot 1) acknowledge the reality that EVERYONE has a unique experience and the potential to bring value to a discussion, 2) aspire to assume the best of one another until or unless proven otherwise, and 3) recognize that acknowledging peoples full humanity requires applying consistent standards of judgment (not based on immutable characteristics), then we really don’t have much of a community at all. While I support the right of the author to express this opinion and the right of the Dickinsonian staff to publish it, I think the sentiment of this piece is antithetical to the ideals that often go hand in hand with a liberal arts education. Namely: free thought, open discussion, and recognition of our shared humanity.

  179. Colin on February 8th, 2019 6:30 pm

    As a white boy graduate student I voluntarily give up my right to share my ideas. I will instead let the works of Thomas Sowell (“Basic Economics,” “Discrimination and Disparities,” “Wealth, Poverty, and Politics,” “Economic Facts and Fallacies,” “Black Rednecks and White Liberals”) and Walter E. Williams (“Liberty versus the Tyranny of Socialism,” “Up From the Projects: An Autobiography,” “Race and Economics”) do the talking.

  180. Michael on February 8th, 2019 6:34 pm

    I am encouraging any white student to invest in a micro audio/video recorder to get civil rights infractions documented by obvious professors who taught the author to think tjis way.

    Take your documentation to a civil rigjts lawyer.

  181. Michele Jansen on February 8th, 2019 7:02 pm

    “Should white boys still be allowed to talk? Sure they should. But, they should think about what they are saying, where they are coming from, and how their words impact those around them.”
    OK….
    “Should girls like Leda still be allowed to talk? Sure she should. But she should think about what she is saying, where she is coming from, and how her words impact those around her” It’s actually good advice for everyone.

    And if you don’t think being falsely accused of being a racist, or an oppressor doesn’t have deep impact on people and especially worse when you are told your are “innately” “privileged” – that you have no choice in how you hurt people. And that your innate masculinity is somehow evil. That is all incredibly psychologically destructive but somehow you can only see the harm done by one side’s racist, genderist broad brush labels. The hyper focusing on this grains of truth theory of “privilege” that has yet to be consistently defined or measured and would vary wildly from individual to individual is tearing us apart but so many here refuse to see it .

    Even if some element of truth, and I think most of it is long past in our society, the hyper focusing on it by academia and certain special interest groups who use it for power and wealth, quite frankly, is doing such divisive harm. Creating feelings of rage, anger and vengeance – in both broad groups of people effected. Are we really this dumb as a society to allow its propagation? We ALL need to try and find the empathy human beings are capable of and realize no one gets to choose how and where and when and with what immutable characteristics we’re born with. We must all realize we’re effected by small “r” isms based on influences and experiences but always, always judge each individual by their behavior and try to have an open mind and realize the things we’ve been influenced by deserve constant re-examination. This identity politics – and that’s what we are really talking about here – is killing our humanity.

  182. Chris on February 8th, 2019 7:04 pm

    Scary how many Leftists don’t know the real meaning of Racism. Saying this is not a racist column, shows you are just as racist as the author. Yes there is no such thing as reverse racism, because it is ALL Racism.

    prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one’s own race is superior

    the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races

  183. "White Female Alum" on February 8th, 2019 7:08 pm

    Leda,
    Thank you for your words. As a proud white female Dickinson Alum who continues to donate to the school, I am disappointed in the ignorant commentary you are receiving in response to your thoughtful opinion piece. That your peers, their parents, and fellow alums do not realize the privilege they hold in responding in this way worries me. For those commenting that this is hate speech, I would recommend you educate yourselves on structural racism and how in the history of the United States white male voices have been prioritized over all others in many cases leading to the violent erasure of non-white experiences. Leda your piece provides a culturally relevant and timely analysis of the role white cis men play in American society; our bigoted president serving as exhibit A. Thank you for taking what is a risk and sharing these opinions and I hope those commenting reflect on the privilege they hold in being able to maintain their ignorance in this setting.
    Thank you,
    White Female Dickinson Alum

  184. ProudAlumna on February 8th, 2019 7:21 pm

    Leda- I support you and I’m laughing at the fragile white men/people who are pulling the “YOURE RACIST TOWARDS WHITE PEOPLE”. You are brave and I applaud you.

  185. White Female Alum on February 8th, 2019 7:25 pm

    Leda,
    Thank you for your words. As a proud white female Dickinson Alum who continues to donate to the school, I am disappointed in the ignorant commentary you are receiving in response to your thoughtful opinion piece. That your peers, their parents, and fellow alums do not realize the privilege they hold in responding in this way worries me. For those commenting that this is hate speech, I would recommend you educate yourselves on structural racism and how in the history of the United States white male voices have been prioritized over all others in many cases leading to the violent erasure of non-white experiences. Leda your piece provides a culturally relevant and timely analysis of the role white cis men play in American society; our bigoted president serving as exhibit A. Thank you for taking what is a risk and sharing these opinions and I hope those commenting reflect on the privilege they hold in being able to maintain their ignorance in this setting.
    Thank you,
    White Female Dickinson Alum

  186. Adam on February 8th, 2019 7:27 pm

    Here’s a little thought experiment for all you good anti-white racists and self hating whites, sorry I mean “intersectionalists”, name one “non-white” society past or present that comes anywhere close to providing the levels of freedom, due process, political representation, opportunity, equality, and individual liberty to people of all backgrounds as current day America. Pro-tip, you can’t use Scandinavian liberal socialism because those examples are all less diverse and more “white”. Our society is not perfect, but this kind of entitled and hate filled vitriol is so transparent and lacking in any historical awareness or factual basis. When you come up with the answer please let me know. I’m sure many of us would love to help cover your moving costs to atone for our “privilege”.

    In the mean time keep it up. Instead of actually working to improve your community through action keep spreading hate. Instead of respecting everyone’s voice keep trying to silence your opposition. Eventually Chad, Skip, and Chip might start questioning the value of western egalitarianism and you’ll finally get the attention of those evil fascists you seem so obsessed with. Though, I doubt it will be the kind of attention you seem so desperately to want. Then again, maybe that is what you want, to create enemies over of tiniest things to justify a persecution complex which fuels a sense of undeserved self importance and prevents you from behaving like a rational adult who can appreciate her own “privilege” to attend an elite university. Something a majority of white “privileged” people will never experience.

  187. Nimita on February 8th, 2019 7:32 pm

    As a non white or non black person, this is insane! Why are we still talking about race!?!? We need to let all this go and be good to each other!!! We are all people!!! Let’s be good to each other and stop spreading hatred!

  188. Adam Goldstein on February 8th, 2019 7:41 pm

    Here’s a little thought experiment for all you good anti-white racists and self hating whites, sorry I mean “intersectionalists”, name one “non-white” society past or present that comes anywhere close to providing the levels of freedom, due process, political representation, opportunity, equality, and individual liberty to people of all backgrounds as current day America. Pro-tip, you can’t use Scandinavian liberal socialism because those examples are all less diverse and more “white”. Our society is not perfect, but this kind of entitled and hate filled vitriol is so transparent and lacking in any historical awareness or factual basis. When you come up with the answer please let me know. I’m sure many of us would love to help cover your moving costs to atone for our “privilege”.

    In the mean time keep it up. Instead of actually working to improve your community through action keep spreading hate. Instead of respecting everyone’s voice keep trying to silence your opposition. Eventually Chad, Skip, and Chip might start questioning the value of western egalitarianism and you’ll finally get the attention of those evil fascists you seem so obsessed with. Though, I doubt it will be the kind of attention you seem so desperately to want. Then again, maybe that is what you want, to create enemies over of tiniest things to justify a persecution complex which fuels a sense of undeserved self importance and prevents you from behaving like a rational adult who can appreciate her own “privilege” to attend an elite university. Something a majority of white “privileged” people will never experience.

  189. Alexander Oliver Ryan on February 8th, 2019 7:45 pm

    This Opinion piece was written by a senior at Dickinson College? Sadly, it looks more like an ill-conceived mess to me. I’m less offended by the content of this meandering rant than I am the sad state of writing/journalism it exposes. Please learn to write an effectively argued article before you put pen to paper again. I’m truly terrified by what Twitter, Social Media, and texting have done to this generation’s ability to convey lucid thoughts and ideas effectively.

  190. Benjamin on February 8th, 2019 7:51 pm

    The brutal reality, that you must now accept into your infinitesimal and underdeveloped brain, is that “god**** white boys” do not speak with a condescending tone, nor do they seek to be intellectually validated, nor do they feel that they exist in a privileged realm apart from and above the rest of society. I myself am a white boy, and us “white boys” did not take away your rights, it was a Supreme Court of nine white men who stated that our rights are no more absolute than yours. If a Dickinson student wrote so much as a sentence which instead addressed “black boys”, containing content that even resembles this despicable and hate-filled rant, President Ensign would surely send us an email denouncing its racism. But regrettably, no such denouncement of this tremendous display of racism has appeared, exposing the hypocrisy which exists in our school administration. This is not “reverse racism”, this is racism. Sure, some people speak with a condescending tone, enjoy being told they’re right, and discuss things which they have no right to. People do this, not “white boys or “black boys.” All of my evil/arrogant white friends and I were quick to recognize and denounce the disgracefulness in the handing out of KKK flyers this past week. True equality among people only exists if acceptance of others and their ideas is reciprocal. We are not evil, we are people, same as you, no better – no worse.

  191. olive, class of 2004 on February 8th, 2019 8:13 pm

    Perhaps the school and town have changed, but from what I remember, neither Dickinson nor Carlisle offered a safe learning environment for students of color. My very first semester at Dickinson College, the actual, literal KKK held a rally in Carlisle. On campus, Black and Muslim students, in particular, regularly faced both everyday microaggressions and blatant racism from fellow students and staff.

    Ms. Fisher’s piece may be sarcastic and biting, but what I hear most clearly in her words is her frustration, and my heart goes out to her. I wish more students, parents, and alumni would stop to consider what experiences Ms. Fisher has had that led to her frustration.

  192. Gracie M on February 8th, 2019 8:35 pm

    All of these comments are proving your point. Bravo!!!

  193. Megan Williamson on February 8th, 2019 8:54 pm

    (Wearing the) Red letter day for me to read this publication, by my alma mater, holding my father, husband and son in such disdain and then opening my mail to see tuition will be breaking the 70K mark for coming academic year. Well done Dickinson. Will this author be making calls on your Day of Giving?

  194. Mary Ling on February 8th, 2019 8:56 pm

    Dear Leda,
    As an over 60 white woman, I want you to know how much I enjoyed this piece. You are fearless and provocative and you are an excellent writer. Clearly, you struck some nerves here! Well done!
    It saddens me that so many are jumping on the bandwagon to criticize you, calling this racist and hateful. I would like to see more thoughtful introspection and soul searching or just questioning and trying to understand something from a new perspective. Instead of knee-jerk reactions, all of us would benefit from some reflection. We should all be asking ourselves, “What can I learn from this?”
    Thank you, dear Leda.

  195. Walter Schlomoberg on February 8th, 2019 9:12 pm

    Oy vey! Great article Leda, the white race is the most subversive and evil of all the races and need to be taken down a peg or two. We’d love to have you down in Tel Aviv sometime, just look me up at Warburg bank and we can get in touch! Shalom.

  196. Chad Thad on February 8th, 2019 9:14 pm

    I’m a white male and I have a voice. I love being a white male and having a voice. I’m a white male and I have a voice. I love being a white male and having a voice.I’m a white male and I have a voice. I love being a white male and having a voice.I’m a white male and I have a voice. I love being a white male and having a voice.

  197. Brad on February 8th, 2019 9:37 pm

    Some wise words from the college president:

    Don’t let racist, bigoted, sexist, homophobic comments by friends or family go unchallenged.

    We must work each and every day to build an inclusive world and to defeat those who have been emboldened to spread hate and fear.

    I am reminded of the words of Martin Luther King Jr.: “We are now faced with the fact that tomorrow is today. We are confronted with the fierce urgency of now. In this unfolding conundrum of life and history, there is such a thing as being too late. This is no time for apathy or complacency. This is a time for vigorous and positive action.”

    We must all work together in these challenging times.

    Sincerely,

    Margee Ensign
    President, Dickinson College

  198. Michael Wiser on February 8th, 2019 9:43 pm

    Today, I received an email from President Ensign about this article, so I decided to check it out. Leda, that is quite the scathing critique, and I applaud your courage for writing it. While I (a white man) may not agree with everything you wrote and think you will probably decide in later years that you could have made your point with less vitriol, congrats for speaking your mind. Now, I also read all of the posts of the so-called “morally outraged” over the racist and sexist tenor of the piece. Oh, it is so easy to be outraged from the comfort of your own home, maybe creating a new hashtag and thinking you have done your part today to make the world a better place. To that I say, b**ls**t. In today’s society where everyone only wants to hear what they already believe, what is wrong with opening your mind and trying to understand another point of view. When I was at Dickinson in the early 80’s, I remember that the number of African-American students at the entire college could be counted on less than the fingers on both your hands. I was lucky enough to befriend a few of the African-American students and understand how they may have felt ignored and unheard. If that is continuing almost 40 years later, then it is totally UNACCEPTABLE! Maybe people should focus more on the issue articulated and keep your daily dose of moral outrage to yourself. Finally, to those posters who said they would never send their kids to Dickinson because of this article, I say GOOD….we don’t want you anyway. An institution of higher learning like Dickinson exists to educate young adults to learn more about the world and how to think for themselves. If this article generates discussion and new ideas among students, that’s a fantastic thing, not a bad one. And for those who threaten to withhold your donations, that is certainly your choice. If you prefer to donate to an organization that only tells you what you want to hear, then I suggest you give to the Republican Party for which facts, truth and reality are never more important than pleasing sound bites for the masses, who are once again, (wait for it)….morally outraged all the time. Keep pushing boundaries Leda! I’m proud of you.

  199. Javelin66 on February 8th, 2019 10:13 pm

    In lamenting white privilege, the author manages to exercise all of the elements of that priveledge while displaying all of the lazy and bigoted thought that has preserved it for years.

    A few examples:
    -Inventing stereotypical names intended to demean a group of people (Chad, Brad, etc)
    -Assuming that everyone in the group is ignorant or unintelligent
    -Using demeaning terms of address- The author refers to ‘white boys’, while she is a Black Woman…

    This article was not helpful- it did not contribute to the debate in any constructive manner, and it needlessly perpetuated stereotypes and demeaned an entire class of people based on the authors negative experiences with members of that group.

    I think all can see the raw bigotry in this piece, which makes it hard for me to accept any of her assertions. She obviously thinks all ‘white boys’ are named Chad, have uninformed opinions, and are rude. How can I then view her opinion as anything but a bigoted tirade against people she sees as inferior, simply as a matter of race?

  200. OldSamVimes on February 8th, 2019 10:14 pm

    Gender/racial/fluid person here…

    Call out individuals who attempt to silence you. Call out individuals for their behaviors, since they are responsible for their behaviors.

    Generalizing racially simply promotes more racial tribalism.. which is already rampant in America.

    You don’t reduce racial tribalism with MORE racial tribalism and racial generalizations.

    If you think some people’s opinions should mean less because of the color of their skin, that’s racist. That goes for the white kids, black kids, and inter-racial kids (do they count in these racial wars?).

    The person who wrote this should look in the mirror.

    If you think it’s wrong to silence or reduce someone else due to their skin color, don’t pick and choose where you apply that morality.

    Racism is ugly, and anyone who thinks racism doesn’t transcend racial borders is woefully ignorant of history. ANYONE can be racist. ANYONE can be sexist.

    Racism in an effort to battle racism doesn’t make people question their racism… it makes people hate hypocrites.

  201. Bruce Butler (Class of 1990) on February 8th, 2019 10:45 pm

    Thank you President Ensign for sending the college alumni such a feckless rationalization for an embarrassingly racist and sexist “opinion” piece published in the Dickinsonian that if “female” was transposed with “male” and “Black” was transposed with “white” the universal reaction would be so catatonic that it would be the lead story on CNN and polar bears would be storming the Mexico-U.S. border in order to escape global cooling. So let me get this straight…. The campus is going to spend a week having “constructive conversations” about an opinion piece that is so astonishingly ignorant and void of academic merit that it does not deserve the dignity of a response? Despite the disclaimer, the Dickinsonian is a reflection of the college, the faculty, the current students, and—to a lesser degree—the alumni. Please dig deep for some academic integrity and call out this mindless drivel for what it is and spare intelligent students from unnecessary “sensitivity” training because a petulant radical embarrassed herself in print.

    Unfortunately, this type of nonsense seems to have become the norm on campuses all across the country. Dickinson was a good school and I still proudly wear my class ring. However, this opinion piece likely speaks volumes about the underlying culture on campus! I seriously doubt Ms. Fisher would have published this piece if she didn’t think she would receive accolades for her effort. Personally, I am embarrassed for her and Dickinson. I am fed up with higher education’s “slavish” devotion to gender and identity politics that fuels division and stifles intelligent debate. Ms. Fisher, the professional world is not as forgiving about unsophisticated stereotypes as the Dickinson community, so please examine the bitterness and intolerance you have in your heart and be grateful you have not received the judgment you have attributed to an entire race and gender. Dickinson, you needn’t look any further to understand why I have chosen to direct my philanthropic giving away from the college.

  202. Kimberly Borland on February 8th, 2019 10:50 pm

    Insightful, concise, direct, powerful, but, most of all, true. I am proud that Dickinson is a place where such stimulating and challenging writing can be published. No apologies should be made by the administration for the thinking and speech of its students, nor should any special efforts be made to provide a louder voice for the majority who have held the stage, unchallenged for so many years. As a white male, Class of ‘73, I can only add that sometimes the truth hurts.

  203. Kimberly Borland ‘73 on February 8th, 2019 11:22 pm

    Insightful, direct, concise, but most of all, true. I am proud that Dickinson is a college where such powerful and challenging thought and speech are published. It is not the administration’s place to make any qualification or apology for it, nor should should it make any efforts to enable a louder voice for the majority, who have held the stage unchallenged for so many years. As a white male, Class of ‘73, I can only add, sometimes the truth hurts.

  204. David Smith on February 9th, 2019 12:46 am

    I am an ‘82 Dickinson grad. As I see it, the opinion writer’s basic point is that, in her experience, white males at Dickinson tend not to understand or really listen to the opinions and perspectives of students from different racial backgrounds. Apparently that’s been her experience. Is it racist for her to say that? I don’t think so. Most of the comments here miss her basic point. Yes, she uses in your face language, which is clearly intended to provoke, and it goes overboard in a few places – the title in particular. But at root she’s simply pointing a finger at white male privilege. You’d be hard pressed to say that doesn’t exist at Dickinson, as at many schools. Which isn’t to say that white male students at Dickinson are bad people or need to feel guilty about who they are. I was one. But there are societal and institutional structures in place that benefit white males. And it is incumbent on us to be conscious of those advantages and to seek to “spread the wealth.” Not listening to and learning from people of other races/backgrounds/genders/sexual orientations, etc. is ignorant and inconsistent with Dickinson’s purpose. The bottom line is you may disagree with her opinion and the language she used, but you can’t take away her experience. Maybe that’s not your experience, but that’s how she sees it. The statement on this matter by D’son’s president hit the mark perfectly, I thought. She seems great.

  205. Evan McLaren on February 9th, 2019 3:25 am

    Inspiring piece, Leda. Thanks!

  206. Joe M on February 9th, 2019 5:41 am

    If I were you I’d learn to code

  207. Victoria on February 9th, 2019 6:50 am

    This article is racist and juvenile. I was thinking of having my son attend Dickinson. No more. How did the administration allow this to be printed? Shame on you all.

  208. Rob Carson on February 9th, 2019 6:56 am

    I want you on my nationally syndicated show now. Come on my show this week and defend yourself.

  209. melissa on February 9th, 2019 7:29 am

    Taken at face value, this op-ed is a shoutout to divisiveness and racism. Not exactly what MLK fought for.

  210. Anon on February 9th, 2019 7:49 am

    I defend her right to say this. I also defend the right of the ‘white boys’ to not be forced to take diversity curriculum requirements by the Dickinson administration.

  211. Mark on February 9th, 2019 8:45 am

    Just more drivel coming out of youth who feel “entitled”. Frustration that they can’t let their argument stand on their own merit. So what do they do? Desperately race-shame those that view things differently, then whine that the world doesn’t banish the others for disagreeing with them. Then DEMAND that society lay out the red carpet for them because their struggle is far worse than anyone else can ever imagine. So much for creative thought and hard work. Instead….they say “just give it to me because others disagree or don’t listen to me”.
    What’s worse is the spineless response from the administration. Nice demonstration of leadership. Looks like Dickinson failed in their selection of President. Their response?….essentially saying “we have no influence or oversight on opinions stated in the Dickinsonian”. Something tells me their response would be much more swift and just (and rightfully so) had such an opinion been made by a white male about a black female.
    One only needs to look at the University of Missouri to see how mishandling of racial friction can impact a college or university. Enrollment of ensuing freshman classes dropped 30% in the first few years. So now the University has had to eliminate 185 Jobs due to falling enrollment.
    I don’t wish that on Dicksinson, but the school needs to remember students have a choice. There are PLENTY of Liberal Arts colleges to choose from. What person in their right mind would go to a school where the administration looks away then stick their head in the sand after such a statement is made?

  212. Stephen Wade on February 9th, 2019 9:18 am

    Ms. Fisher’s life is not going to end well unless she releases the hate that has accumulated inside her for people who look different from her. She DESPERATELY needs Jesus Christ in her life…

  213. Dickinson Grad from 90s on February 9th, 2019 9:22 am

    Dear Ms. Fisher,
    I am a Dson graduate from the 90s. I refuse to reveal my gender or race – because quite frankly – it is irrelevant to this conversation. I am not sure your agenda or purpose in writing this article – was it to celebrate Black History Month, was is to bring to light some huge injustices you have faced (whether real or fabricated), was it to totally torpedo the admission’s season for Dickinson – the very institution that paid for your very expensive education and afforded you opportunities to travel around the world, was it to gain notoriety and exposure – not quite sure —

    What I learned at Dickinson in both the classroom and outside is we need to learn from History . I hope in your American Studies major you learned the same – singling out one group on nothing more than skin color /race and gender – is not only naive – it is dangerous. Once you silence the “white boys” – who are you going after next perhaps Chinese Boys or Syrian Women? Also how are you going to identify all these “white boys” when so many people are mixed race – will you make them where a designation like others in the past have done or perhaps you would want their admissions to the school denied all together or placed in a separate classroom.

    In closing, it saddens me that in your final semester at Dickinson – the very place that has allowed you to learn and grow – you choose to write a very naive, ill thought out article that further creates a divide. If anyone is speaking over anyone Ms. Fisher it is you – with this racist article. You do not represent my Dickinson not because of your race or gender – but because my Dickinson was inclusive and open minded.
    Sincerely, A 90s graduate

  214. Rick Miller on February 9th, 2019 9:29 am

    I think everyone is missing the point. This is a satire piece, sort of like Swift’s “Modest Proposal.” I bet the author isn’t even a woman but is a white man writing under a pseudonym.

  215. Lovelalola on February 9th, 2019 9:30 am

    This piece demonstrates such a paltry understanding of first amendment rights and their purpose and benefits to all Americans that it’s embarrassing this woman will soon be called a college graduate. In addition, the argument pulls the weight of historical racial oppression in this country around the writer like a shroud, limiting not only her point of view, but her ability to avail herself of all this world has to offer. She argues her way to her own self-imposed limitations. White boys are not doing this to her; she does it to herself, and then has the lack of vision to understand her own role in her own destiny. Sad, really, but that’s the nature of black rhetoric on the left these days.

  216. DickinsonDad on February 9th, 2019 9:33 am

    Racism. Period. My white son attends Dickinson and can’t go to the hub to eat without members of the black student union telling slurs at him and calling him names. They despise him because he shares a different political opinion than them. The writer of this racist article is one of those people.

    The college has an inclusivity event nearly every day based on the daily Dickinson newsletter I receive. Ironically, the only race that isn’t inclusive seems to be the white male apparently. I continue to ask myself why I support sending my son to a college that costs nearly $73k per year when he’s harassed for having conservative views?

    To make matters worse, the president of the school supported this racism. Some of the comments supporting the writer are disgusting too. She’s racist in real life and hateful to anyone who doesn’t share her point of view.

    Furthermore, it’s 2019! Why are we still talking about race? Pretty sure the writer wrote this article at her very privelaged college and it was published because of her right to free speech. Stop hating and start having civilized discussions to understand other perspectives.

    Shame on Dickinson College and the president for not adequately addressing this situation.

  217. millard stanford bunson on February 9th, 2019 9:36 am

    I know what you’re trying to say but you’re writing is sloppy.

  218. GR on February 9th, 2019 9:49 am

    Dear Leda- AKA “Becky”-
    I find it beyond ironic that someone attendeding a premier law program from a prestigious school of law is so, so sick of “privilege”. Sorry about your $60k annual tuition and living in one of the nation’s “best small towns”, ranked annually. Insert *eye roll* emoji here.

  219. James Hunter on February 9th, 2019 9:51 am

    This comment is directly aimed at the many unapologetic critics of this insightful article.

    It is absurd to attribute racism to anyone, especially one arguably a target of it, pointing out examples of its pervasive cultural entrenchment.

  220. The Objective Historian on February 9th, 2019 10:00 am

    I am mixed race and not African-American at all. But here is the thing the author is not considering … if all she hears is other African-Americans, particularly left-wing Democrats, that’s not the truth either. It’s the dialogue challenging itself that sifts out a better proximity to the truth. It sounds like she is tired of people disagreeing with her … sad.

  221. Grundle Thorpe on February 9th, 2019 10:00 am

    The fact that this article #triggers white boys so hard tells us something. Jist look at those walls of text. Welcome to minority status Jethro.

  222. Patrick O'Conner on February 9th, 2019 10:09 am

    I have no problem with provocative articles. I hope the paper would be willing to publish equally provocative articles from those holding opposing views.

  223. ThomasPaine on February 9th, 2019 10:12 am

    She is a Dickenson Goodwill Ambassador. Whether “opinion” or not, this op-ed is so lacking in GOODWILL and devoid of respect for basic human and civil rights of the person, that I believe her appointment as Ambassador should be revoked. And her scholarship. https://www.dickinson.edu/news/article/3511/

  224. Rochelle on February 9th, 2019 10:27 am

    I sense the author’s frustration, obviously with particular instances, because I doubt she has had experience with every white boy on campus. It would have been more appropriate to say that she wished she could silence certain boys, rather than all of them. I think we can all identify with that sentiment!

    I am hoping that the school has educated her enough to recognize that not every white boy fits her stereotype. Is she including Jews? Hispanics? Biracial? Is she referring to international students and immigrants? What about poor students who had fewer opportunities than she did? Or white boys raised by lesbian or gay parents? Is she calling out LGBTQ white boys as well (it seems that she believes all white boys are cisgender)? What about white boys raised by a single mom, or those who grew up in foster care? Is she upset with the white boy who took a year off from college to work with Habitat for Humanity, or the one who was sexually abused as a child? Has she thought about the white boy who survived cancer, or the one who spent a year in juvenile detention? What about the white boy who is a recovering addict? Should all of these white boys be silenced as well? Could they not possibly contribute something valuable to the conversation, simply because they are white? One must conclude that she is either too angry to be rational, or that she is too sheltered to understand her own ignorance.

    Another sticking point for me is how she uses their names as insults. That’s mean and hurtful. If you justify hurting someone else because you’re angry, that makes a really strong statement about who you are as a human being, and it’s not a positive description.

    Lastly, some respondents said you can’t talk about flipping the tables because reverse racism is a myth. I disagree. It is certainly becoming a reality. Racism requires power, and when minority populations are controlling what others can say, shaming them into silence, and forcing their retreat from the national dialogue, yes, that’s powerful, and that’s from where racism grows.

  225. M Douglas on February 9th, 2019 10:48 am

    I read and reread this article… it is obvious there is a lot of anger and resentment among minorities and women in this country. At this point the real question is who perpetuates it ? For 50 years women and minorities were given every opportunity at the expense of white men to achieve and yet they still complain. Maybe the problem is something within them and not so much the message they get from the world. Let’s tell the truth instead of the excuses and lies these children are indoctrinated with in universities that it is someone else’s fault. Those women and minorities capable and willing to achieve success seem to be doing fine. The ones complaining are those who cannot compete and blame everyone else for their failings.

    While many can accept the desire to advance the causes of women and minorities for the good of the world, few with a brain will condone the cheap shots and hate speech that women and minorities such as this have resorted to in this country of late. For decades white people have been tamped down with ‘guilt’ through PC culture and for what end ? This ? When a desire for equality becomes a more aggressive desire to destroy a group of people, you are no different in mindset than the klan, regardless of gender or color. I would suggest those ‘social justice warriors’ out there consider that anyone can be anonymous under a white hood regardless of color or gender… rethink your hate speech and rethink the world, young lady.

    For Dickinson, if this is a mindset borne of your culture and teachings…you have failed miserably. Stop preaching the words of equality through MLK if your goal is to abolish the idea that content of character is greater than color or gender. This young woman has been poisoned with the idea somewhere that competing with white men is a threat and that government and social justice mobs are her only resort to destroy them rather than work alongside them. Someone or many have done her a great disservice that will likely ruin her chances of success in the future.

  226. JENNIE NICOLAYEV on February 9th, 2019 10:51 am

    Too many of these comments suggest that Dickinson has failed miserably to teach its students how to engage critically, respectfully, and thoughtfully around difficult issues. If that’s not the point of an education at a liberal arts college, I’m not sure what is.

  227. RB on February 9th, 2019 11:05 am

    While Leda has every right to write this, it doesn’t mean she can do so without consequence. Many of today’s activists are rotting the fruits of their predecessors’ labor. Making enemies out of would-be friends.

  228. Ben on February 9th, 2019 11:11 am

    Glad to send this to my parents – both Dickinson Alums, encouraging them to send to any of their classmates who still donate time or money to such a broken institution that would breed “thought” this misguided.

  229. Cynthia Kolbowski on February 9th, 2019 11:30 am

    Last week my son’s photograph was featured in the Saturday New York Times. He was protesting outside of a federal jail in Brooklyn where inmates had been without heat and electricity for a week during the polar vortex. The photograph shows him shouting passionately into a megaphone pointed upward toward what I know to be the jail windows being rattled by desperate prisoners inside. I was proud.

    In the same week I find that my daughter, his twin sister, has taken up her own metaphorical megaphone in a Dickinsonian op ed and she too has captured national attention. Again, I am proud.

    But I am also shaken by some of her critics and I would claim surprise but I’d be revealing the perpetual return of my woefully Pollyanna-like White privilege. To those critics, I would like to say this:

    My daughter, Leda, should not have to water down her discourse in a higher education setting for those unfamiliar with basic concepts such as institutionalized racism. She should not have to coddle any student nor be anybody’s nice Black girl. She should not have to be a bridge builder or a patient communicator or a generous educator – unless and when she wants to be. My daughter should not have to censor rhetorical devices that call out the dominant ideologies of the white, patriarchal privilege that colonizes us all. She should not have to modify her speech in a college newspaper for those in the audience who think concretely and personally rather than critically and symbolically.

    My daughter’s so-called vitriol in a personal statement, a student editorial directed at that colonization; the audacity that she suggests listening instead of speaking, is unmatched by the ad hominem assaults in the comments and by the thinly veiled indictment by President Ensign, who holds actual institutional power in her hands, and who distances herself from Leda rather than suggesting reflection on the part of my daughter’s critics.

    My daughter’s critics operate in the context of the national response to her op ed in venues like Breitbart and internet forums such as 4chan. All of the responses prove the point of her piece. Sorry, not sorry that you cannot understand that my daughter is a little bit angry because she lives in a world where she is now being called a ‘fat kike mulatto pig’ ‘who will be hunted down and killed in the coming purge.’ Sorry, not sorry to the Dickinson mother who notes she fears for her White son in both the Dickinsonian and the Breitbart comment sections. My Black child attends school on a campus in a town in which the KKK is handing out fliers. Where’s your outrage there? You think 4chan is a marginal group to which my daughter has no exposure? Individual female Dickinson students are known and discussed there. My daughter’s photograph is amplified there. The KKK is active there in cyberspace and there, up close and personal, in Carlisle.

    Fortunately, most comments on my daughter’s op ed, both in the Dickinsonian and on the Dickinson Facebook page link, include vigorous student support that seeks to spell out the concepts that underly Leda’s choice of expression with the patience and academic foundations it should not always be her burden to offer. Those students are learning how to do this at Dickinson and that makes me proud of my daughter’s soon to be Alma Mater. Now it is incumbent on the Dickinson educators to take on the open dialogues Leda’s piece has provoked while protecting and supporting her.

    For those White people who like to quote Martin Luther King, Jr, I share this:
    “First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can’t agree with your methods of direct action;” who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a “more convenient season.”
    Shallow understanding from people of goodwill is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.”

    And here is a sampling from 4chan – reproduced because you need to know and not be sheltered:

    Every utterance of the term “white boy” is a re-confirmation of the nigger’s utter anal devastation at being a chimp

    Fat kike mulatto pig?

    Leda Fisher is desperate for huWhite cock

    I’d like to see some monkey nigger try to “shut me up”

    Fucking white cucks and their pet niggers need to hang

    Dickinson is a school for the super privileged
    this includes morbidly obese and retarded jew mulattos who only get in thru (((tribal affiliation)))

    Should niggers, Jews and spics be allowed to live?

    Meh, people like Leda Fisher are going to be hunted down and killed in the coming purge.

    Killing fuckers like this bitch is going to be so goddamn satisfying.

    Her career plan is getting fucked by a different guy every night while receiving money from the government

    “you say 6 million? I say 6 million more!”

    Meh, people like Leda Fisher are going to be hunted down and killed in the coming purge.

    Killing fuckers like this bitch is going to be so goddamn satisfying.

    Used to date a girl who graduated from Dickinson in 2012
    Worst thing that ever happened to me. I can’t even begin to number the personality disorders this chick had. I thought I knew what a gas lighting sociopath was… Boy was I wrong. Boys, I’m not gonna brag, but I’m a tough guy. This shit gave me PTSD
    She was a 110% pre-SJW whore. Thought it “empowered her” to get plowed by niggers and old men for drugs and money
    She’s a black woman, which is two very fucking good reasons why nobody should ever take anything she says or writes seriously.

    I doubt she’s a kike, she was definitely educated by them though.

    Piggy wiggly ass looking oinker right there

    why is it gallows behind her, did they try to hang her

    Is this implying that white men can learn from niggers and women? That’s not how knowledge works, sweetie. Just as heat always moves from warm to cold, knowledge always moves from white men to subhumans.

  230. Lisa on February 9th, 2019 11:41 am

    ITT: Rich white people asking why we’re talking about race in 2019, after reading about how a black woman feels race impacts her life.

    “I thought if I sent my son to a school that costs $70k a year, his beliefs that support racist ideologies wouldn’t be challenged!”

  231. alan a higgins on February 9th, 2019 11:43 am

    what I read in this piece, is she wrote this piece in the heat of the moment and venting, because she was trying to talk and the white guys where talking over her, when she was given her opinion. but i all so get the feeling of some racist but maybe that is your up bring, or to much media..if you would have more about this piece before you wrote it it would have had power behind it, and reword it some so it didn’t sound so racist because not all White Boys are the same…. so good luck with that

  232. Brave Captain of Industry on February 9th, 2019 11:47 am

    Either one of the great satires recently written , or a deeply pathological exegesis of a broken culture.

    Or both.

  233. peter schweizer '68 on February 9th, 2019 11:57 am

    I am disgusted that my Dickinson, a place of higher learning and free ideas with merrit, would print this trash.
    I am a white boy and was raised to be respectful of all races, however in the face of all the Black rage at white people i have become a bit more opinionated.
    peter schweizer

  234. Billy Irving on February 9th, 2019 11:59 am

    Most of the people who are commenting obviously havent read the article and have just gotten upset about the headline. It sucks because they seem to need this article most of all. The article is not inflammatory in any way.

    The rest aren’t even Dickinson students and are just brigading from Twitter. They aren’t commenting in good faith. The Dickinsonian has published mostly far-right oriented op-eds in the past few months, and it goes to show how reactionary our society is that one of the few further left articles instantly goes viral.

  235. mark anella on February 9th, 2019 12:36 pm

    As a white man, I agree with Leda.

  236. Jacob Sofsky Dickinson alumnus on February 9th, 2019 12:57 pm

    I was amused that President Ensign wrote “Dickinson believes in free speech” as this is not the case. The Foundation for Individual Rights in Education, the premier academic free speech advocate awarded their (anti-free) Speech Code of the Month award to Dickinson which can be seen here.

    https://www.thefire.org/speech-code-of-the-month-dickinson-college/

    Some quotes:
    Dickinson has a “Bias Education and Response Team” that investigates reportable behavior defined as ““discriminatory macro- and micro-aggressions that violate our community standards.”

    “If it were not already clear that Dickinson is chilling free and open debate on campus by encouraging its students to report on one another for subjectively offensive speech, consider this: The college cautions that “[a]ny effort to dismiss the validity of the incident reports that the Team has responded to risks minimizing and invalidating the authentic experiences our students have reported.”

    Add this to the report by DickinsonDad above and I am reminded of Mr. Orwell’s cautionary tale. To paraphrase, in Dickinson all have free speech, but some have more free speech than others.

    President Ensign informs us that Ms. Fisher “does not speak for the college.” That may be true but given the deference afforded her opinions, Ms. Fisher is likely an accurate example of what a Dickinson liberal arts education is producing in the current era.

  237. another white one on February 9th, 2019 1:05 pm

    I am grateful we live in an ever evolving society where the norms are increasingly more conscious and sensitive to injustices, where mocking, sexists, bigoted, racists and/or hateful actions are beginning to have real world consequences. It’s a bumpy road, but as we continue to progress (or regress in your case), leaders within our institutions are, and will ever be, increasingly held to account for their present and past actions as we collectively judge the character of those members wishing to lead our society. Social media and the internet, like it or not, will be our ledger.

    That said I am so thankful for your honest and open opinion piece Leda, as I am confident, that in the ever-evolving future your personal opportunity to serve in a potential leadership role in our society will be nixed.

    Some years from now, this opinion piece will resurface, our ever expanding societal expectations will hold you accountable for your past racists, sexist and hate filled words and ideas. How could someone with your hateful ideology represent an inclusive country, state or county, let alone a school board or aspire to principle of an elementary school? Won’t happen. I am confident in the evolution that disallows selective racism, sexism, and other hateful ideologies you so angrily adhere to and I ensure you Leda, your type will be cast out of leadership roles in a kinder, more inclusive society.

    I won’t repeat the obvious equality remarks listed within the comment section here that I am sure you have read by now. What I will offer you is something more valuable, a way out. This may be, as a young person, a good time to seriously reflect on how you ended up down this road… as a racist bigot, a person of hate. I know there is some love in your heart, compassion as well. Serious and honest self examination may lead to some healing for you and perhaps this is a learning moment that can change and alter the thinking and feelings you are dealing with. Please search for the origin of your hate, you may think it is in the grander historical past, likely you’ve been taught such, but if you fail to recognize the misstep in justifying your own internal racism how can you hold any other racist accountable? Hate begets hate. You won’t find lasting answers and peace until you recognize it is an internal struggle. Others are externalizing your struggle to their political and ideological advantage -a technique used no different by other racist and hate-filled entities on the opposite spectrum. Jung will be of help to you. Please search.

    Even the most hateful of racists can change Leda, my suggestion is in your self exploration spend some time listening to Daryl Davis. Please consider meeting him if you can. That is if you don’t mind listening to a black American male (I am not sure of his sexual proclivity if that matters to you…). People like Daryl are changing people like you, one person at a time. Maybe you will someday hand over to him your Dickinson cap and gown.

    I sincerely wish you luck Leda in changing your heart and mind, and if there be none, I very much look forward to your influential demise.

  238. Richard D McCreedy on February 9th, 2019 1:27 pm

    I mean..it’s a college student writing this. What else do you expect?

  239. James Byrnes on February 9th, 2019 1:32 pm

    What filth. Is this what Dickinson thinks is okay? She should be expelled.

  240. Dixie Normous on February 9th, 2019 1:56 pm

    Here I thought that Dickinson College was an elite instution with high admission standards. After reading this article it’s clear they will let any person with an 80 IQ in. Sad that Dickinson wasted so many resources on Ms. Fisher.

  241. Domingo on February 9th, 2019 2:07 pm

    The thing that is really scary is that people like Ocasio Cortez and Kamala Harris are ideologically very similar to Fisher and Harris stands a good chance to become the next president of the United States.

  242. Moshe Ben Avram on February 9th, 2019 2:15 pm

    As a Jewish White Boy who proudly served 17 years in the US Army, and intensely hates anyone telling me to shut the hell up, I read your rant with interest and I think I have the following solution for you should you decide to accept it. If you find that you really cannot stand the sound of “White Boys” talking, as a free United States citizen, you have the right and or the courage of your convictions, to leave the USA and go to the location of your choice where the preponderance of “White Boys” is low, and the preponderance of “Black Boys” is high. This would solve your problem of having to listen to us talk, and it would also solve the problem of us having to listen, or in this case read, about you bellyaching about it.

  243. WALTER ADAMS on February 9th, 2019 2:17 pm

    My first act asKing would be to throw Barack Obama UNDER the jail.
    Why?
    Because he was elected to office in a nation where “White Boys” are still the biggest single voting block, and then, he took the progress of long, excruciatingly tedious decades of social and racial reconciliation between the Races and tossed it down the toilet as though it were worth nothing at all and set us back 60 years.
    Rarely has such a priceless opportunity been so flippantly squandered.
    The hope of all the white people who genuinely rejoiced that a Black Man had been elected to the highest possible office, the hope that finally we might be on the last lap of the endless marathon, thrown right into our faces and our faith greeted with rage and contempt.
    Our good faith efforts spat upon.
    Our attitude now when informed that Blacks suffer from injustice?
    I – DON’T – CARE
    I used to, but not anymore.

  244. Andrew Cuddy on February 9th, 2019 2:38 pm

    Racism. Sexism. Abandon the 1st Amendment? What is going on at Dickinson?

    Leda, you young people need to think about the consequences of your college actions. Just look at what is transpiring with the governor of VA. Evidence of his racism followed him into adulthood. You have memorialized your racism and sexism in the school paper.

    As an employer I routinely look at a prospect’s online presence to see if it is campatible with my law practice. If I saw this kind of racism expressed in your online activity, I certainly would not be calling you for an interview.

    You’re about to enter the job market, Leda. Time to grow up!

  245. Ryan Travis on February 9th, 2019 2:44 pm

    This poor woman deserves a refund for any educational expenditures she’s made. She was no doubt better educated her first day of class than she will be at graduation.

    Nonsensical articles like this one, along with mind-numbingly ignorant and uninformed political excrement like we see on a daily basis from Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez and her preposterous regurgitation of the Communist Manifesto (Green New Deal), are the result of at least 25 years or more of a professoriate echo chamber based on cultural Marxism (it was called “conflict theory” in the ’90s). This fanciful ideology, born in a twirling merry-go-round of envy in the recesses of the Neighborhood of Make-Believe, divides the world along every imaginable category, declaring some oppressors and others oppressed. This dichotomy is understood to fuel human history, and if one is fortunate enough in modern times to be labeled “oppressed” in this errant schema, one is immune from any of the rules that bind said oppressor. Can you claim victimization? Congratulations! You can discriminate and chastise people on the basis of race and gender all you want — it is *impossible* to be racist or sexist if you hurl racial slurs at a white male because racism is conveniently redefined in a way that has nothing to do with race. Poor unenlightened MLK, whose dream was (I speak as a cultural Marxist, not a sane human being) for people to be judged on the content of their character, not the color of their skin! He should have dreamed all along that his children would judge others on their skin color all day long, character be damned. Listen: If you believe that it is impossible for a member of a minority race to be racist, than a 3 year-old is literally smarter than you. Scripture rightly prophesied you: “Professing to be wise, they became fools.”

    Thank God this poor writer and people like AOC are letting the broader population see this fool-hearty delusion now before it’s too late to mitigate its societally ruinous poison.

  246. GigaNite on February 9th, 2019 2:52 pm

    Hey Leda,

    What makes you think that you are “Black?” I’m guessing you are an American, middle-class, native English speaker, whose core psyche would be readily measurable as “standard American” female, and that you and the “White Boys” have more in common psychologically, socially, emotionally, morally, and aesthetically (if not also phenotypically, physiologically, genetically and in terms of health) than you do with a person of purely African ancestry.

    Certainly you may be a “person of color” and have phenotypic characteristics which lead you and others to identify you as “Black” or as “African American” but are you actually Black in the sense that you truly are distinctive from those guys you are accusing of being White Boys?

    If you have never actually bothered to take the coursework which would help you to be informed sufficiently to think critically about these questions, or for that matter have always assumed you know everything about yourself you need to know simply because of your skin color, hair color, hair texture or some basic facial features, then I’ve got to tell you: you are being a racist in how you judge your own identity.

    After eight years of “the first Black President” I would have hoped that our society would have moved far beyond these petty, ignorant, misguided, acrimonious, self-important wallowing and whining fits. But no, Mr. Obama squandered what was likely the most golden opportunity given to a person of color ever. Instead of actually diminishing racialism and the validity of the concept of race, he buttressed it and did seemingly everything in his power to re-establish racial divides and racial hostility and to portray the state of diversity and equality of opportunity in America as being about 30 or 40 years behind where it actually is.

    I’m convinced that the state of racial harmony is at this stage in 2019 many years “behind” the state of advance it had achieved in the late 1990s. If you don’t have the empirical acumen to dispel such impressions then you are honestly not in any place to judge whether those White Boys you loathe are really any more privileged than you are.

  247. Lather on February 9th, 2019 3:13 pm

    Whether sincere or just trolling for a reaction, congrats on shooting yourself in the foot. You can only fuel division with such an attitude! Furthermore, your need to capitalize “Black” is both sad and amusing. So much identity invested in skin…

  248. White Boy on February 9th, 2019 3:24 pm

    As a “white boy” myself, I disagree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death for your right to say it. I only ask that you do the same for me

  249. Jeshua Devanti on February 9th, 2019 3:49 pm

    As a man of color i stand with this posting. White males are now a minority in many universities across this stolen land. As ppl of color are rising and awakening, we no longer want or need to hear youre voices. Unless you listen first and stand with the rise of ppl of color, i dnt want youre white male opinions. This land we live on was stolen by white males who we all know murdered and raped and destroyed native ppls and renamed this land and made roads and bldngs with names honoring white male thieves and murderers. Then brought slave labor from Africa to build even more. Dont even tell me you had nothing to do with this, white male! You are going to college and creating careers making tins of mny on land youre forefathers stole. And dnt tell me youre forefathers had no part in slavery or murdering natives, or that your forefathers came after slavery, because they still built theyre wealth on land stolen from natives and built by slave labor. And you and every white male today who is making any kind of mny and weakth is making that mny on stolen land with opportunities given you by white males before you who stole the land and murdered and enslaved ppl of color. So with us rising in wealth, and going to college in record numbers and we now dominate music and popular culture and dominate sports, and just voted into offices in record numbers, and even movies are starting to demand us ppl of color, we are the new majority soon, and no, youre voices will not matter to me and most ppl of color. It is our time now, and if you dnt agree with me, again, youre voice means nothing to me. Id love to see the day when you are ran out of this land back to europe.

  250. Collegeiscancer on February 9th, 2019 3:50 pm

    This is why more and more people are getting sick of SJWs.

  251. 00 grad on February 9th, 2019 3:54 pm

    Embarrassing article from an overrated college. Even the faculty knows it sucks. That’s why they encourage studying abroad so much.

  252. Victor de Nile on February 9th, 2019 3:56 pm

    As a male person of pallor, I’m appalled at the racial insensitivity, and demand the school punish the writer.

  253. Jeremy X on February 9th, 2019 4:15 pm

    The 1st Amendment protects the right of people to speak, write and express themselves.

    Sorry – but that’s how the system works.

  254. nam marine on February 9th, 2019 4:37 pm

    Come and stop me from talking……………………….BOY !

  255. Anonymous on February 9th, 2019 4:57 pm

    DickinsonDad, you are right on target! This is not an argument about the content of the article by Leda, but by the fact that conservatives on campus are routinely condemned and discriminated against by students, professors and administration. There is only free speech on campus if the administration agrees with your views! Otherwise, you are shut down. There is blatant discrimination against conservatives and those who are not LGBTQIA. Truly disappointing! No wonder the college continues to drop in its rankings.

  256. Emmaline Greensward on February 9th, 2019 5:46 pm

    Booker T. Washington said it best, way back in 1912. His statement is still just as valid today, if not more so.

    “There is a class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs. There is a certain class of race-problem solvers who don’t want the patient to get well.”

    ~ Booker T. Washington

  257. Ken on February 9th, 2019 6:02 pm

    As a white boy all you did was make me madder than hell & I am going to speak up louder than ever so watch out! If you can’t handle it, tough! What are you going to do about it?

  258. Stacey on February 9th, 2019 6:15 pm

    As a feminist and the mother of a Jewish, white boy I have gone to great lengths to educate my son on the concept of “privilege.” In addition, I know firsthand the pain of anti-semitism and misogyny so I can understand your rage and pain. What I can offer to you is some advice and it can simply stated. There is no healing without an effort on your part to intelligently and respectfully engage iin conversation and debate. There is no hope for understanding and empathy when people are shamed or intimidated into silence. Share your story and listen and give “white boys” a chance to know what it is like to walk in your shoes. Hate always begets hate.

  259. xnavygunner on February 9th, 2019 8:17 pm

    I hope you have to ask a white male for a job and her reads this.

  260. Jay Simpson on February 9th, 2019 8:19 pm

    I hope this was disclosed to the Federal Election Commission — it is impossible to see how drivel this inflammatory, unreflective, and cartoonish in lack of academic merit does not count as an in-kind donation to the Trump 2020 campaign.

  261. Timothy Murray on February 9th, 2019 8:20 pm

    Someday Leda Fisher will look for a job and this dreck will keep her from getting it. That’s what happens when you spew your irrationality all over the internet.

  262. Joel on February 9th, 2019 9:57 pm

    Thank you, Leda Fisher. I was happy I read your article.

    To the other white men criticizing this piece, I would encourage you to take a breath and ten minutes, and think about why you are reacting the way you are.

    Acknowledging privilege and accepting when it’s time for you to shut up and listen is an important part of your growth in adult life. Please be willing to accept that there’s truth in areas you have absolutely no experience in or understanding of.

  263. Miroslav on February 9th, 2019 10:21 pm

    First generation immigrant, “white” (I guess), Christian male here. Some of my relatives from older generations were killed in wars and turmoils of not-so-distant past, just for their ethnicity and love of freedom and independence. I feel that we are criticizing this writer’s opinion with too much respect, though harshly as it may be, because we value the freedom of speech. There is a very short distance from calling for a racial/gender-based full censorship of a group to calling for elimination of that group, through denying their basic human rights or worse. There’s also an even thinner line between strong convictions and acting upon them, especially if there is a permissive environment to do so. The writer of this article surely is not the only scary person in the world who is extremely hateful and resentful, but I just can’t wrap my head around the fact that a college paper is providing her with this rostrum in the name of diversity of opinions.

  264. Jada Mills on February 9th, 2019 10:43 pm

    I am a black educated female in her mid 30’s, and I read this and think – my sisters, where have we gone wrong???? How did we let miss Leda walk down this path of hate and insecurity? Leda honey you’re going to Dickinson college, not Howard. If white men speaking made you feel so insecure why did you choose a school in the heart of mennonite country?? The issues you have with people which are different than you are personal, and will hold you back in life. Show kindness, strength, and let this undue hate go. You’re being weak and short sighted and its embarrassing to your strong black sisters. Go to church honey. Imma pray for you to get beyond this troubling time. God dont like ugly.

  265. Janet V on February 9th, 2019 10:51 pm

    I applaud you for this piece. You are entitled to your opinion and if there’s anyone who is uncomfortable with this post, then great! Because things need to be spoken about, this CANNOT nor is it RACIST, it just doesn’t work that way. Continue to voice your opinion! Great read. Thank you! I will be donating to Dickinson thanks to this piece!!

  266. J. V on February 9th, 2019 10:59 pm

    A force to be reckoned with, I would definitely hire you!! Please do not listen to the voices trying to silence you. It’s a shame that people are so “hurt” by this. Clearly, they have never walked a mile in your shoes. Hopefully those people making negative comments never have to ask you for a job…

    Thank you!!

  267. white boy on February 10th, 2019 1:30 am

    so it shows, all of the changes in the last 50 years where wrong. White males are indeed smarter and more dedicated to learning and thinking. It was wrong to allow woman to be there – and people of other races.

    Now we have hatred on whites, females without children and whites marginalzed by all others hatred.

    nice done folks… everything is gone now. no liberal arts anymore.

  268. Dana on February 10th, 2019 2:54 am

    As a college student, though not at Dickinson, this article is full of truth, and I commend the author for writing it. Here’s a hint: if you don’t perpetuate these behaviors, then the article doesn’t apply to you. But considering how offended all these people in the comment section are, maybe it hit just a little too close to home. I can’t tell you how many straight white dudes in my classes have “just played devil’s advocate” to add an unneeded, uneducated opinion to an otherwise thoughtful discussion about racial, gender, or sexual discrimination.

    There are some articles on this site’s opinion section that are ACTUALLY based off racism — the kind that still hurts people of color in real, tangible ways other than getting offended by truth that someone dared to speak. Yet the only time fellow white people feel angry enough to comment is when someone points out the poor behavior of their friends or children. If you’re interested in learning more about how not liking what someone says on the internet isn’t the same as the institutional racism that people of color and especially Black people face on a daily basis: https://www.theroot.com/reverse-racism-explained-1823964786 or if you prefer a more well-known source, https://www.businessinsider.com/heres-why-reverse-racism-doesnt-actually-exist-in-the-us-2016-4

    Instead of automatically shouting this article down because it has a title that’s designed to get people to read it, try examining your own behaviors critically . And if you still disagree with it after all that, remember — the “free speech” that you say is being erased when it comes to young bigoted white people also applies to young Black women, and saying this should be taken down while also claiming conservative people are “discriminated against” and having their rights taken away just proves that you don’t really care about free speech at all.

  269. Jack Serpa on February 10th, 2019 9:24 am

    Hi Leda: You succeeded in raising awareness of the problem: that white boys believe they are entitled to talk over others as if they know better. I’m curious if your anger was genuine, or did you intentional layer in that vitriol to stir up this debate thus raising awareness higher. Or am I giving you too much credit?

    I’m a white father of a recent white boy graduate.

  270. jim on February 10th, 2019 9:40 am

    To think my great great Uncles and Grand father fought and died on the Union side for you to express such hate. William Chambers 1864
    Makes me sad. Sure we all have our opinions, but like my mother always said” if you don’t have anything constructive to say, don’t say it at all.”
    Maybe a visit to a phycologist will help.

  271. Emmaline Greensward on February 10th, 2019 10:01 am

    Dear Ms. Cynthia Kolbowski,

    It’s grand to see you glorying in your daughter’s questionable behavior, but here’s a “heads up” –>

    Normal white folks (or any folks) don’t read the horrific bilge on sites like 4Chan, but thanks for helping them spread their sewage to the rest of the world. I’m sure they’ll be grateful. Now, go peruse the equally horrific merde on pages like the New Black Panthers, or any of the millions of “angry black folks” across the nation, parroting the racist line from the “Professionally Aggrieved.” And, yes, black folks most certainly can be racists. All while pretending their own bitter, horrible prejudice is pristine, and above reproach.

    Perhaps your daughter can get a job with Al, or Jesse, or any of the others making a living from promoting this kind of race-based resentment and anger. I’m sure Obama is still handing out gigs.

    The rest of us will continue promoting the ideals of “Equal Rights, and 1st Amendment — for ALL.”

  272. Will on February 10th, 2019 10:05 am

    I’m white and assigned gender male, and you probably don’t want my opinion but here it is:

    It’s 2019 and we’re all equal. If we want racism to not exist in society (and as you said, it does!), we need to stop talking about race. Race is a social construct created by insecure white men to oppress others. Don’t play into their narrative by further dividing people along these lines.

    Hate is baggage.

  273. CH on February 10th, 2019 10:30 am

    Hey Leda,

    I’ve never been ashamed to be a graduate of Dickinson, but if you are the product of what my college is now pushing out – I wish I never became a Red Devil.

    For someone who “craves justice and strives for peace” (if you forgot, maybe look at your other opinion piece bashing Israel, but I won’t get into that) you really want to have an open dialogue with all to ensure peace……… yet here you are telling people to shut up? and telling people of a specific race to shut up? my my my, the irony of your twisted logic only perpetuates the very division you speak about. You, Leda Fisher, are the very reason for division in this country. You, Leda Fisher, only promote more racism. You, Leda Fisher, are the reason I will never donate or support Dickinson College ever again.

  274. MotherofaDickinsonWhiteBoy on February 10th, 2019 10:47 am

    To Leda’s mother who posted a comment earlier… I get your need to protect your daughter but your rant irritates me even more and is further validation why your daughter needs to be immediately expelled from Dickinson.

    I am the mother of a current Dickinson “white boy.” Your daughter, like my son, has every right to speak her mind. But there’s freedom of speech protected by the First Amendment and then there’s Federally sanctioned hate speech based on the color of one’s skin. Your daughter chose the latter when she posted her racist hate-filled opinion piece in the Dickinsonian. Hiding behind a keyboard she marred the College’s reputation on a national level, caused great concern to students’ safety, and made learning in the classroom and the college experience incredibly challenging in an unprecedented level.

    You comment about the physical location of Dickinson. Yet you knew the location of the College when your daughter had her first visiting day. She applied, accepted admission, and enrolled anyway. If you or she took issue with Carlisle and the surrounding area you should’ve chosen another school. Apparently, you both didn’t turn away the more than $10,0000/yr scholarship money she receives. I bet a good portion of that money came from white boy families. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you!

    You also complain about your daughter’s safety. Well now I worry about my son’s safety too. So, there’s a win for her. Every student was fine walking around campus until your daughter spewed her hatred. Now everyone has to look over their shoulder and can’t walk alone. Nice. Your daughter, singlehandedly, has made it unpleasant for herself, my son, and many other students on campus. I can’t even imagine what it’s going to be like for a white boy to share a classroom with Leda for the rest of the year, knowing someone has such vile hatred for you.

    Again, I get that you’re trying to protect her. I’d do the same if I were in your shoes. But she created this shitstorm (for lack of a better word), and now we all have to deal with it.

  275. Applause on February 10th, 2019 11:22 am

    Instead of getting angry and bent out of shape that Leda expressed what most people of color on Dickinson’s campus feel, how about using your “freedom of speech” to challenge her assertions? My guess is because it is impossible to do so without taking a hard look inside and accepting responsibility.

    What Leda is trying to say is that it is irresponsible and ignorant to use your position of privilege to speak about the Black experience in America and to continue doing so only highlights how dense and self serving your are.

    Listen and quit whining. Whites are not opressed in this country and this post isn’t racist, it’s truth and if you can’t handle that, well it only shows your privelege further. Get a grip. Go Leda!

  276. Kristine V on February 10th, 2019 11:38 am

    “To Leda’s mother who posted a comment earlier… I get your need to protect your daughter but your rant irritates me even more and is further validation why your daughter needs to be immediately expelled from Dickinson.

    I am the mother of a current Dickinson “white boy.” Your daughter, like my son, has every right to speak her mind. But there’s freedom of speech protected by the First Amendment and then there’s Federally sanctioned hate speech based on the color of one’s skin. Your daughter chose the latter when she posted her racist hate-filled opinion piece in the Dickinsonian. Hiding behind a keyboard she marred the College’s reputation on a national level, caused great concern to students’ safety, and made learning in the classroom and the college experience incredibly challenging in an unprecedented level.

    You comment about the physical location of Dickinson. Yet you knew the location of the College when your daughter had her first visiting day. She applied, accepted admission, and enrolled anyway. If you or she took issue with Carlisle and the surrounding area you should’ve chosen another school. Apparently, you both didn’t turn away the more than $10,0000/yr scholarship money she receives. I bet a good portion of that money came from white boy families. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you!

    You also complain about your daughter’s safety. Well now I worry about my son’s safety too. So, there’s a win for her. Every student was fine walking around campus until your daughter spewed her hatred. Now everyone has to look over their shoulder and can’t walk alone. Nice. Your daughter, singlehandedly, has made it unpleasant for herself, my son, and many other students on campus. I can’t even imagine what it’s going to be like for a white boy to share a classroom with Leda for the rest of the year, knowing someone has such vile hatred for you.

    Again, I get that you’re trying to protect her. I’d do the same if I were in your shoes. But she created this shitstorm (for lack of a better word), and now we all have to deal with it.”

  277. Heartland Patriot on February 10th, 2019 12:15 pm

    Every student who isn’t a hard-leftist (of which the rant above is merely one egregious example) should transfer to some other school that values actual education over political indoctrination masquerading as education. Let the institution feel the effects of a reduction in their funding. Why do I say that? Because it’s obvious that the writer is being given cover to push such a radical leftist opinion (she wouldn’t say that if she didn’t have some thought it might become reality).

  278. JW on February 10th, 2019 12:24 pm

    My God, for a school that places an emphasis on language instruction, the extent to which these comments butcher Latin grammar is mind boggling. If you are a male, you are an alumnus. If you are a woman of color, you most definitely aren’t. You are an alumna. And unless perhaps you are group texting, you are most definitely not an alumni.

  279. Mister B on February 10th, 2019 12:28 pm

    Congratulations on an outstanding, well written piece! It seems to have the alt right racists of America riled up!

  280. Arthur Sido on February 10th, 2019 12:34 pm

    So a girl attending a college founded by a white man and named after another white man is complaining about white men and no doubt doesn’t see the irony of this. Why not attend one of the many world class universities someplace like Haiti or sub Saharan Africa where you won’t be bothered by any “white boys”?

  281. Pete on February 10th, 2019 1:13 pm

    The author of this “opinion” article gives the impression of a hated filled racist hypocrite. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. It is how we express it that we are judged on. This article sheds a bad light on Dickinson and what is perceived as this was all I received from 4 years of education under their tutelage. I have a student enrolled there and this saddens me that my hard earned dollars are contributing. If I as a white boy wrote an article to his degree I most certainly would be facing hate mail and or someone seeking some sort of retribution. Dickinson administration needs to be seen and heard from.

  282. nicholas kelly on February 10th, 2019 1:50 pm

    Rather than arguing about the intent of the author, why not simply move on to the numbers. The college undergraduate population is 59% female and 41% male. Among all students the percentage who are white is 68%. That means that of the 41% male population that 68% of the total undergraduate population is white males.

    Overall this means that 28% of the total undergraduate student population are white males.

    How does this underrepresented population somehow monopolize all the discussion among their majority peers?

  283. Aaron J on February 10th, 2019 2:22 pm

    Interesting. So making nasty and judgmental attacks against a race and gender is not racist? For all of you clueless “liberals” agreeing with this woman, and espousing the ridiculous post-modern definition of racism, think this through. If racism is a combination of power and prejudice, are you saying that minority people don’t have power over their own attitudes: beliefs or words? You really think that the only form of racism manifests itself in institutional racism? That is only one form as there are many. This hateful, judgmental and yes RACIST article proves it. Leda didn’t have any power over her own beliefs or words or attitude? Are you implying she’s helpless and incapable of acting on her own free will? If you think that, then you’re very ignorant, and should think twice about condemning those who criticize her blatant racism.

    This woman is angry; ignorant and yes, racist. Call it what it is and stop enabling crappy behavior. If you so called “liberals” are really interested in ending racism, then call it out on all fronts. Don’t selectively choose whom you condemn and who you justify. The real problem? You’re not liberals. You’re leftists.

  284. David Tsotsi on February 10th, 2019 2:26 pm

    So, so glad this piece has been published. It is extremely important that the full warped and twisted vitriol of people like Leda (and her mother) is laid bare.

    This piece proves beyond all doubt that reverse racism and sexism towards white males exists, is growing in boldness and bitterness.

    It is obscene to defend this article. Beyond belief. But no, it should not be removed. No, the author should not be expelled or subjected to any form of University discipline. The student body itself must be given free rein to tell Leda why she is wrong, what standards are expected and that while she has the priviledged of free speech, others have the equal right of free criticism. If she lasts more than a few days on campus, then Dickinson is lost.

  285. AlanDean on February 10th, 2019 3:40 pm

    >If so, your name is something like Jake, or Chad, or Alex, and you were taught that your voice is the most important in every room.<

    The author starts from a faulty premise: Society MOST CERTAINTLY doesn't tell "white boys" this. Who says this? The media? Nope. TV? Nope. Pop culture? Nope. Sports teams? Nope. Music execs? Nope. Silicon Valley? Nope. Colleges? Nope.

    The fact is, the only people that tell white boys their voice was important was their parents. And any parents can do that.

    Black women on average far exceed white men in terms of success in life relative to parents.

  286. Geo on February 10th, 2019 4:23 pm

    I’ve lived in the South for decades in a mixed mostly black/white neighborhood. Glad it’s not Dickinson’s neighborhood. Who knew Pennsylvania was such a racist hellhole. Ya’ll should come on down; our weather’s better, too.

  287. a bee ee? on February 10th, 2019 4:35 pm

    Reading this drivel reinforces my perception that “toxic masculinity” is very thinly disguised code for “women rule”, and that Black Lives Matter means that no one else’s do.

    So if it comes down to it, yes I prefer white privilege to black privilege, and patriarchy to rule by the likes of Leda Fisher. There is no compromise.

  288. Hoo bou on February 10th, 2019 4:44 pm

    In the real world you will be required to get along with people of all races, ethnicities, ages & religions.

    You do not sound ready for that, which does not speak well for either you or your Dickinson education

  289. R Daneel on February 10th, 2019 4:45 pm

    Thanks for showing your bigotry. I look forward to your efforts to silence us white men.

  290. Greve Smoth on February 10th, 2019 5:04 pm

    Yo sick. Burn it all to the ground.

  291. Miguel on February 10th, 2019 5:26 pm

    It should come as no surprise that a feminist wrote this piece.

    To all the young women reading this, today’s version of feminism is not your mother’s. It is a guaranteed ticket to anger and unhappiness. This woman is full of hate and resentment, buoyed by 3rd wave feminism and intersectionality, Look beyond the fashionable college critical theory programming. Look to the beauty of the true nature of man and woman. That which makes us different binds us.

  292. Michael on February 10th, 2019 5:33 pm

    I notice that the author of this piece is listed as a “Goodwill Ambassador” for the college. Is this who the college want to represent them?

    Notice her favorite class is gender studies, a one way ticket to hate.

    https://www.dickinson.edu/news/article/3511/

  293. fubar on February 10th, 2019 6:18 pm

    Yes – white boys should be allowed to talk. See how easy this is?

  294. ken on February 10th, 2019 6:31 pm

    You are a racist that is all that needs to be said.

  295. Anonymous on February 10th, 2019 6:34 pm

    Closed-minded racists like Leda and her mother spew hatred and create a greater divide between people. Their social media is all about activists and bias Leda suggests he classmates should not speak. She chooses to generalize about people based on gender and race. WOW. As a bi-racial female from NYC, accepted to a liberal arts college, perhaps she the one brining less to the table to contribute and should listen to some of her classmates who have gathered here from various states, countries, and have differing experiences to contribute to most conversations. Perhaps if she were to open her mind and listen she might learns something. Her poorly written rant makes it clear she didn’t pay attention in English classes. She does not reflect our values and expulsion should be considered.

  296. TJ on February 10th, 2019 6:39 pm

    This is what progressive tribalism in education produces; young minds turned to mush. A few years of indoctrination and voila’ an author who:

    Asserts no white boy can possibly have a valid opinion regarding such uniquely black experiences as not having enough money, not getting a job you wanted because of unfairness or any other thing a black person experiences.

    While simultaneously she asserts with authority how the white boy thinks, how his family and social life made him think that way, what he has ever read and how he feels about his place in the world. She can even predict his name!

    So of course the author is angry and wants him to shut up. Cognitive dissonance does that. Good job faculty!

  297. John Gorman on February 10th, 2019 6:39 pm

    HA! Good luck getting a job now, Leda. This slander disguised as a ‘hot take’ to get snaps from your friends will haunt you to your grave.

  298. Anonymous on February 10th, 2019 6:43 pm

    Students, Alumni, Faculty and really anyone in favor of a united and better future:

    https://www.change.org/p/dickinson-college-expel-leda-fisher-from-dickinson-college

  299. Sean M Donahue on February 10th, 2019 6:52 pm

    I graduated from Dickinson in 1997 and I ran for office several times as a White Nationalist. I am very proud of that and I pray for the day that America is White again.

  300. Sean M Donahue on February 10th, 2019 7:08 pm

    Dear Dickinson College Faculty, Staff, Other Employees,
    ( And Prospective College Students Everywhere, Various Secondary Schools, Journalists and Citizens of All Countries)

    The greatest lie ever told to me was when Angela Barone (Franandez), an admissions officer at Dickinson College said to me something to the effect of Dickinson is the perfect place for you. Dickinson was so intrigued by my background in military Special Operations and Military Intelligence and Gulf War I, that it gave no thought to my future. Yet, my personal statement, my every motivation and my every word spoken during both my admissions interview and my every moment at Dickinson was persistently about what I wanted for me in my own future. I contributed to class discussions as agreed to by accepting admission and completed all academic assignments. Yet, I received no job skills and no job in return. This was despite having been told that Dickinson College was the perfect place for me to get what I wanted out of life. What Dickinson College did give me was not what I asked for. I never made any claim that I wanted to learn how to be creative or learn how write essay papers, which no one will pay you to do unless you become a professor. Yet, I never said that I wanted to become a professor.

    When I approached Dickinson College, I did so on the referral of an Insurance Salesman who knew Angela Barone’s father and who I met while taking a continuing education class in using Lotus at Penn State Hazleton. I had just gotten out of the Army and mentioned to the individual that I had applied to Lafayette College, which did later offered me admission. I had never before heard of Dickinson College and it was not included in the list of schools that my former military commanders and superior officers and an aunt who was a college professor recommended I apply to. I decided to at least check Dickinson out. When I approached Dickinson, I said this is what I want and Dickinson replied by claiming not only that it could provide it but that it was the perfect place for me to get what I wanted. Yet, upon completing my degree at Dickinson, getting Magna Cum Laude and Phi Beta Kappa, Dickinson College failed to follow though and deliver the job that I said I wanted to get and that it claimed it was the perfect place to provide. What is more, Dickinson College was never capable of delivering the job I wanted and persistently failed to recognize that in itself and persistently failed to openly acknowledge its limitations as an institution. Dickinson College was marketing what it wanted to be, rather than what it actually was. It turned out to be no different than any department store or franchise making grand claims about its product or service but after you buy it, it fails to live up to the expectations you forthrightly and openly placed on it at the moment of purchase.

    When I applied to Dickinson College I expressed clearly in my personal statement and admissions interview what job I wanted and Dickinson accepted me by telling me, falsely, that it was the perfect college for me. If Dickinson was not capable of getting me that job and knew that it couldn’t, it should not have taken my GI Bill, Veterans Grants, Pell Grants and student loan money from me. I could have used that money to get trained in something that I could have gotten a job in. You can’t admit people because you want to believe that you as an institution are capable of getting someone something. You have to ask how realistic the stated objective is. You also cannot accept someone with the idea that they will learn to be flexible and settle for something else. That is not your call to make, especially with an overbearing sense of institutional authority..

    When I was leaving Dickinson, Stuart started to suggest that I look at the Congressional Research Service or at American and George Washington Universities. Yet, I never expressed any interests in any of those things in my personal statement. Stuart failed to understand the purpose for which I was paying tuition and the of the college and his program in that pursuit. Attending a college is a consumer transaction and if you cannot get someone from where they are when they apply to where they want to be when they graduate, you should not take their money. If you do, you are tricking individuals into believing that you are selling them something other than what they agreed to purchase. In my case, you took the only money that I had. That was money that I could have used that to get a job producing degree. Your career services office once told me that I must rely on my connections to get ahead in life. In doing so, Dickinson College failed to realize that if I came from the family background that made it easy to just attend a liberal arts college and then get a job through family connections, I would never have had to serve in the military to get the GI Bill in the fist place. Further, if I had such connections, I would not have wasted time and money getting an education to attain they same paycheck that I could have had without the education. But my well being was not part of the considerations made by Dickinson when it decided to accept the cash from my GI Bill, Pell Grant, Veterans Grant and student loans.

    The reason you admitted me and took my money was simply because Dickinson’s enrollment was down and you wanted to round out your statistics with a well balanced class profile. The emphasis of you admissions decision was on what you felt I would bring to the college, rather than on what your responsibility was to me. You wanted to make the diversity data to look good and vicariously expose the spoiled rich kids to the experience of the working class by having a few in the student body. You liked having someone in the classroom who had real world experience and could talk about how American foreign policy actually played out on the ground because he was there. You placed value and emphasis on giving the rich kids exposure to a working class person who went to school using the GI Bill because as Zwemer once told my classmates and me, part of their learning experience is to learn how to interact with people like me because when they graduate there will be many more. In his mind, my presence was to be for the benefit of the rich kids. I was tolerated but never welcome. Yet, you took my money that I was paying you to get me the job I wanted. I was not paying for, what you deemed as the privilege to be around the rich kids and self proclaimed esteemed faculty like yourselves. You gave no thought to what I was going to get out of the education and every time I tried to point out to Stuart what I wanted and what I saw as the obvious flaw of disorganization in the liberal arts education, he just brushed me off. He did so with an incessant, he knows best attitude but never stopped to ask himself if he actually knows anything at all. I wanted job and prosperity but all you sold me was a useless certificate.

    Since the moment of the purchase, I have neither encountered any individuals or institutions that have offered me a job because I graduated from Dickinson and the only jobs that have ever been available to me are the very same jobs that I could have had without a Dickinson degree. This renders the degree both useless and of no true tangible or realizable value. It is by no means an investment and its projected benefit in life that was and continues to be advertised by Dickinson College constitutes false advertising. Therefore, you owe me for the full cost of my education at Dickinson, including the opportunity cost and all costs must be brought forward to present value. You must remove my degree from my transcript, annotating that the degree was renounced upon my instruction and you must provide me with the additional replacement funding necessary to retrain into a job producing real labor skill that is of tangible and attainable practical value. You must also compensate me for the fact that employers do not hire liberal arts graduates for technical jobs. Instead, they hire people with either two year tech degrees or no higher education at all before they hire liberal arts majors. My Dickinson degree is a handicap, not an asset. Unlike Scadato suggested, I cannot leave out of my resume the fact that I attended college for those years because it would leave that time unaccounted for. If sever years are unaccounted for, people assume you must have been in prison, on the lamb or deserted from military service.

    Sean M. Donahue
    Alumnus Dickinson College, BA 1997
    (Phi Beta Kappa, Magna Cum Laude)
    Columbia University
    MIA, SIPA 2001
    MA Statistics 2005
    Mandarin Chinese, Middlebury College Levels 3,4,5
    Mandarin Chinese Indiana-U, CET Level 1

  301. MattinLA on February 10th, 2019 7:19 pm

    I’ll say what I wish. And there’s not a goddamn thing you can do about it.

  302. NA on February 10th, 2019 7:30 pm

    I find it interesting that while Ms Fisher never uses the words ‘racist or ‘racism’ in her opinion, many commenters label hers as such — as if they have experience in that realm.

    The immediate outrage of these commenters – particularly those crying ‘reverse racism’ — unfortunately proves that those who are part of the dominant white culture do not like to have their implicit privilege (which they ‘earned’ simply by being born with a certain skin color) challenged – or even mentioned.

    The semantic switch some brought up about replacing ‘black’ for ‘white’– and how the opinion would’ve been instantly deemed ‘racist’ — fail to see that overt racism against people of color occurs daily in America. See the Southern Poverty Law center website (https://www.splcenter.org/) for examples.

    Racism in this country is systemic, not individual. It’s not about one person (or several persons) spewing vicious and vile attitudes about a race/ethnic group, though of course that does occur. It’s about a political/social/economic system and a culture that has for centuries elevated whites over others. It’s about a system where whites had — and continue to have — the upper hand; where their opinions and values prevail; where what they say or do trumps (intentional verb usage) those of people of color. And while such racism may not seem as institutionalized as it was in the nineteen fifties or sixties, it’s still endemic today. That’s my view of what Ms Fisher was suggesting.

    Look at the number of African-Americans who are killed by the police under questionable circumstances. Maybe there we could switch ‘white’ for ‘black’ and imagine the nationwide outcry that would result. Or look at the incarceration rate for people of color? Or the president who besmirches an ethnic group, by calling them ‘rapists and murderers?” Does this mean that racism no longer exists? That it no longer permeates our society and culture? Forgive my rhetorical question, but I afraid it’s still with us.

    Check out who controls the levers of political power in this country. One case in point, out of 45 presidents, there’s only been one person of color. Or, see the U.S. Senate, where only nine African Americans have served since 1871. And it was only in 2013, when two black senators held office at the same time. It surely can’t be an accident that for nearly 150 years all the individual white Senators earned their seats on their own. Maybe – possibly? – the political system works in their favor? Maybe it’s rigged that way?

    We can’t escape living in a system that’s racist, but we can work toward lessening its impact on all of us. It takes concerted effort and a willingness to realize that its effect goes beyond individuals. As author Robin DiAngelo has written, ‘We bring our racial histories with us, and contrary to the ideology of individualism, we represent our groups and those who have come before us. Our identities are not unique or inherent but constructed or produced by social processes.’ I would add that those ‘social processes’ precede our birth. And our parents’ birth. And our grandparents’. And so on.

    So Amen to Katie Mosher, Brian Grey, Cassie, Lara, Alum Class of 2012, and others who did not knee-jerk attack Ms Fisher for her opinion. I’ll add that I concur with the black woman commenter who said that she didn’t agree with Ms Fisher’s tone, but still supported her. I too support the validity of her message. To those who took Ms Fisher’s words personally – who felt she was calling you out — it’s really not about you. It’s about the culture and society that we are a part of, that grants whites privileges and opportunities that others do not have, that gives many whites an advantage. It’s time for you to recognize it.

    I’m glad that President Ensign has decided to take up this matter, rather than sweeping it under the rug. In my view, it’s a credit to her leadership. This is an opportunity for a dialogue to take place, for understanding to flourish. I think it might be one of the more enlightening learning experiences Dickinson students may undergo on campus.

  303. Mongo on February 10th, 2019 7:48 pm

    It’s not even rare anymore to find liberals this proud of their stupidity.
    They are idiots, and they are fiercely proud of their idiocy.

    Enjoy the war you so desperately want, remember which side has all the ammo.

  304. Mongo on February 10th, 2019 7:50 pm

    As others have said it’s good to see the racist idiots openly advertising their stupidity and hate.
    It’s better that everyone knows who they are.

  305. BC on February 10th, 2019 8:32 pm

    The answer to the question posed in the article’s headline is: “Yes.” Yes, white boys should still be allowed to talk. So should white women, black men, black women, Latino men, Latino women, LGBTQ men, LGBTQ women, et cetera.

    Everybody gets to talk. Nobody gets to shut anybody else up.

    If the author of this piece limited her criticism to those individuals who presume to understand her experience as a black woman, and recommended that they improve their listening skills and develop greater empathy for people not like them, that would be one thing. But she didn’t do that. Instead, she made sweeping generalizations about her fellow students based on superficial personal characteristics. Far from judging people based on the content of their character (or the merits of their ideas), she’s judging them based on nothing more than their membership in certain identity groups.

    The word for that is bigotry, and it’s ugly.

  306. Cromulent on February 10th, 2019 8:40 pm

    I think its a testament to the strength of free speech as an institution in our fair land that such a racist & sexist feels free to crawl out from under her rock to display it for the world.

  307. Pathetic on February 10th, 2019 8:51 pm

    Leda, if it weren’t for these white boys whose voices you desperately want to silence, you and I and everyone here know you wouldn’t be attending Dickinson – or anywhere even close to it – right now. You are literally only here because of the government and the (mostly white) students that pay full tuition and donate after graduating, and instead of showing gratitude for the opportunity you respond with this incoherent mess? Listen, if you’re uncomfortable with the way civilized society works then leave; no one will be sorry to see you go.

  308. JW on February 10th, 2019 8:55 pm

    Mrs. Kolbowski:

    1. While you seem to be quite enamored with the publicity of the Times, honestly, this is not the time or place for virtue signaling. And of course, the Times is not the only information dissemination vehicle these days.
    2. Please step away from the helicopter. Your daughter is a big girl now and is going to have to clean up her own messes.
    3. You are of course correct that her article spawned lots of vile crap. Note: this is not the first time this has happened on the internet. The responses you post are regrettable indeed, but foreseeable.
    4. At the same time there are many thoughtful criticisms which of course you do not mention.
    5. Personally, the thing that disappoints me the most about her post is that she has spent 4 years at Dickinson and apparently has absorbed nine of the core values of liberal education. “Y’all shut up” is in fact anathema to liberal education. What a sad waste of money.

  309. Tom Kurzeja on February 10th, 2019 10:38 pm

    Wow. Racist much?

  310. Tom Kurzeja on February 10th, 2019 10:40 pm

    Congratulations to Leda Fisher. Only 22 and already unemployable. Most people take much longer you did.

  311. Jamal on February 10th, 2019 10:48 pm

    Leda Fisher is a walking indictment of the affirmative action policy at Dickenson College. How does someone with such poor logic and writing ability make it into the college let alone graduate? What an embarrassment.

    It is obvious that insecurity is at the root of her bitterness and racial resentment. It always seems to be the most privileged, spoiled, entitled children, probably on a full-ride scholarship of some kind, who share her outlook. The resentment is rooted in entitlement and insecurity. I advise her to check her privilege.

  312. Shaniqua on February 10th, 2019 10:58 pm

    She wont have to deal with any White males talking in the Congo, Rwanda, Liberia, Zimbabwe, Libya, etc. But will she relocate to those countries???

  313. Kev on February 11th, 2019 8:31 am

    After looking at this woman’s facebook page, I’d be an angry miserable person too if I had that looking back at me in the mirror every day. OUCH!

  314. Ed Phillips on February 11th, 2019 9:15 am

    I was born and raised in a blue collar family in a borough of Camden. My Mother was a loving mother to three boys, house-wife and caregiver to my father’s invalid parents. But she was also a racist. Her racism was based on ignorance and fear, not understanding or experience. My Dad was not an academic, but he completed many demanding apprenticeships and became a master craftsman that would be the equivalent to an engineer today. He was thoughtful, well read, hardworking and was extremely curious which gave him a much broader view of the world and its cultures. He was constantly bringing home foreign strangers to help them with their English skills. My mother hated it. We lived in an all white neighborhood and were rarely exposed to people of color until we attended a regional high school of which many inner city students attended. I think because I inherited some of my father’s nature, particularly his curiosity, I learned quickly that people of color were nothing to fear. However, It took a little while longer to understand the greater impact of being born White. I graduated High School and began College in 1968, at the peak of great cultural upheaval including the Civil Rights movements. There was a lot of anger and violence in Camden but there was also a lot of dialog on Campus. It was then that I more fully understood that being born White came with a great deal of unearned privileges regardless of how modest a family you came from. Now we all know that many of our “colored” colleagues managed to earn their degrees and succeeded in life and business. But it is ludicrous to say that we “all had the same opportunity”. They had a right to be angry and to demand equal rights but they didn’t excel by breaking windows and setting storefronts on fire. The excelled by overcoming obstacles of which there were many just because of their color. Leda Fisher needs to understand that she will continue meet many White Boys who feel entitled because they were simply born white. And she will never help them understand nor argue her point through angrily demanding that they shut up.

    I was listening to Gayle King from CBS Morning News interview the embattled Governor Ralph Northman of Virginia this morning. Now, he is a highly intelligent, very articulate, seemingly sensitive man. He was a medical officer in the US Medical Corps from 1984 to 1992 and was a practicing pediatric neurologist until becoming Lt. Governor of Virginia in 2014 and Governor in 2018. He is 59. Gayle King did a great job at being civil while pressing Northman for a deeper understanding for why he shouldn’t resign from office over his Black Face fiasco. The interview is worth watching. Without a doubt, he was one of those entitled White Boys in college that Leda King is so angry with. He claims that he began to understand white privilege RECENTLY!!!! He’s 59 and he’s governor of Virginia! Gayle and I were equally astonished. I’m sure he is a better doctor than he is a politician because he has little skill at putting out fires. His ineptness at addressing the issues are astonishing. He may have an “understanding” of White Privilege now but only as a consequence of his blunderous backpedaling resulting from public outrage. This White Boy has spoken. Maybe he should shut up.

  315. Ken McEntee on February 11th, 2019 9:58 am

    Those of you who feel that this garbage should not have been published in the school newspaper are missing one important point about free expression. It exposes the author for who she is.

    When we suppress things we don’t want to read or hear, it causes irrational racists like this author to walk among us without recognizing the danger she poses. I am angered by this opinion piece, but I would rather be angered, yet aware, that people actually think in this convoluted way. It exposes the reality that racism goes both ways.

    I believe this immature and unreasonable hatred is a symptom of a growing political strategy to divide and weaken our nation, and it works perfectly on weak minded and easily manipulated people – a category that seems to fit the author.

    As much as I detest the author’s viewpoint, I am happy that this was not censored from publication. I wonder, however, if the right to free expression also would have been extended if a similarly hate-filled opinion had been submitted by Jake, Chad or Alex.

  316. Robert on February 11th, 2019 9:58 am

    The writer of this article is obviously suffering an inferiority complex…they are also racist and sexist. They feel that their aggression against characteristics tha tu cannot be controlled should be tolerated…hmm they shouldn’t be they need to be removed. I am glad I did not go to this school…I would have left it because I felt it was hostile if the writer walked in for a job and I was the employer I would turn them away because there is no room for racial or sexist discrimination on any level

  317. M Scott on February 11th, 2019 10:57 am

    unfortunately I posted my comments before I heard from the mother of this young woman…I came back to say I now fully understand where the author developed her fundamental beliefs, from her paranoid and passive aggressive mother. there’s no denying the struggles of minorities in the past but try to crawl out of 1950s style generational teachings to live in 2019. one thing I have learned about the black experience is that anti white sentiment is amplified down in black culture through generations and has helped foster race tensions. the sentiment is now just an excuse to lash out and avoid hard work. and while we are at it, if you want white boys to stop speaking about blacks, then stop speaking out about the white experience because you only show your ignorance.

    the mother of this author mistakenly conflates the ‘townie’ population with the student body. the locals have always expressed resentment and anger towards the college students…I am not black and clearly remember many altercations with townies, a lot of it was as nasty as she describes, just not directed at skin color. secondly, the student body is at best 20-25% white boy. nearly every one of these boys is a liberal democrat from PA or CT. they went there explicitly for a liberal education so it is highly unlikely that the white boys you encounter would express the anti black bigotry implied in these words, unless you are saying liberal democrats are racist and dismiss black girls. lastly, this young woman is given the SAME opportunity of education as these white boys, so where is the privilege ? it doesn’t exist. most of the white people I knew at school scraped together what they could to attend the school…they weren’t rich white brats as implied but most of them had more ambition and direction instilled in them by their parents.

    with that said, here’s more freedom of speech. this article and the current aggressive feminist and minority activist movements are more of a cry for help than anything else. Obama broke through the blame game that the white man was holding everyone back and created a very defined ‘put up or shut up’ moment. now all of these people fear they wont measure up so they pretext the argument with racism and sexism when the truth is they are simply loading the message to avoid admitting failure when they do fail simply due to their negative attitude and their lack of effort. the only place this ‘attitude’ will survive is in the halls of politics. the increasingly useless university or some rag throwaway under the guise of credible journalism… the real reason people like leda and likely her mother struggle outside of the coddled echo chamber is that people don’t want to hire or deal with them not because not their appearance but their ‘attitudes’. go throw your bombs at the straw man and set him on fire, don’t expect to come out without getting a bit burned yourself.

  318. Ed on February 11th, 2019 10:58 am

    To Cynthia – what you fail to realize is that your daughter is engaging in the same type of ignorant bigotry you and all reasonable people condemn. I understand your desire to defend her – that is your child after all – but having 3 of my own, the first thing I’d do is set them straight. There’s no room in a decent society for the type of drivel you referenced on 4chan, nor the type you’re seemingly excusing from your less than enlightened daughter.

    Reasonable people will wonder if it is you that she learned this type of bigotry and blatant double-standard from.

  319. Tony on February 11th, 2019 11:50 am

    The author convinced me – white boys are superior to her in every way.

  320. Alicia on February 11th, 2019 12:39 pm

    Hey! I’m sure you’re getting a lot of hate for this article and maybe you’re not even reading the comments anymore. I just want you to know I’m with you!!! I’m so tired of listening to white Econ major ___ and ____ think they know any way to solve climate change. I’m also tired of listening to white men tell me my ideas are unusual or radical and then them “spout the narrative of dominant ideologies and pretend they’re hot takes instead of the same misleading garbage shoved down our throats by American institutions from birth.” You’re an eloquent writer and put these angry and tired thoughts into words for me.

  321. Rick on February 11th, 2019 1:04 pm

    Individuals like Leda and her mother simply serve to promote disorder and greater divide among people. She clearly as her mind set with regard to gender and race. Their social media is plastered with activist figures. As put forward in a Change.org page, Leda should be expelled. She does not represent the values of the school nor does she demonstrate an ability to write at a college level. Cancer like Leda need to be removed as swiftly as possible. Appalling that the administration has not removed the sexist and racist piece, denounced it and issued a statement condemning it.

  322. DiscussThisInstead on February 11th, 2019 2:13 pm

    And the author is a jew.. How very surprising. It’s not like 99/100 times it’s jews spewing this anti-white rhetoric. Oh wait it is! I would agree the western world DOES have a racist supremacy problem: That of jews constantly spewing hatred, mostly for whites but not exclusively. Anyone who isn’t jewish themselves are fair game really… But such supremacist thinking probably comes very naturally when you’re part of a culture that literally teaches that you are chosen by God and everyone else is thus inferior.

    Perhaps it’s time we addressed that instead as well as the very real phenomenon of jewish privilege which unlike “white privilege” is very real.

  323. Lydia on February 11th, 2019 2:49 pm

    Racism and misandry at my alma mater; shameful.

    This young woman has done a disservice to women of color. She does not represent us.

  324. James Cash on February 11th, 2019 2:50 pm

    White people can be discriminated against just like any other group despite what the far left social justice types tell you. We, as white people, need to advocate for our own interests just like any other group in this country. If you believe that white advocacy is necessary, or even that it will be soon given the direction of the country, please consider visiting this website: Amren.com.

  325. SB on February 11th, 2019 3:11 pm

    Ms. Fisher is obviously a damned fool, and her opinion is worthy only of derision and contempt.

  326. Rick on February 11th, 2019 3:43 pm

    Alicia, News Flash. An Econ major who chooses to dual major in Sustainability or Environmental is a heck of a lot more likely to have an impact on climate change than a Gender Studies major. Hmm, what contribution with that lead to? Oh, wait, woman of color are already favored over white men in hiring and promoting. Job done.

  327. Rick on February 11th, 2019 3:47 pm

    Is a call for a vote of no confidence in Ensign on the table yet? The Board of Trusties should consider it. In this day and age no social media comment from Ensign. Hmm Is this her position as well?

  328. Rick on February 11th, 2019 3:54 pm

    Lydia and all who care, If you feel Leda does NOT reflect Dickinson values or the type of person it produces vote on Change.org to have her expelled. She should not be granted a degree from Dickinson!

  329. 70s Alum on February 11th, 2019 4:00 pm

    The irony is that Leda says white boys should not have a voice and the response is that she should not have a voice. How about we agree that Leda and the white boys are each entitled to their opinions and get to share them in class or in the pages of a student newspaper?

  330. Mo Schmo on February 11th, 2019 5:18 pm

    I am deeply concerned that the commenters, despite their expensive Dickinson education, don’t seem to understand racism and sexism. There is no such thing as racism against white people and not such thing as sexism against men. These words denote systemic oppression to which white men are not subjected. What’s racist and sexist is the attacks on the author of the piece. White boys who are so offended by this post, I suggest you ask yourself why this offends you so. Is it because you can’t count one black woman among your friends? Is it because you have no problem interrupting woman in your classes? Or, is it because you’be never considered what it might feel like to be a person of color at a majority white school in Trump’s America? I’ve heard Dickinson is progressive, but clearly that isn’t the case. White supremacy is alive and well here.

  331. Paul Kersey on February 11th, 2019 6:43 pm

    Leda, no matter how much you polish it, you can’t make that turd pretty.

  332. Mark (grateful Christian white man name) on February 11th, 2019 9:30 pm

    Dickinson college was founded by Benjamin Rush, a White Christian man who signed the Declaration of Independence. He provided a bold and respected voice against the slave trade and was a member of the Abolition Society. He helped Richard Allen found the African Methodist Episcopal Church. Perhaps he should have been silenced and not allowed to co-sign the independence of a country where bigots such as Leda Fisher feel entitled to suggest the violation of people she doesn’t like.
    Dickinson College was named in honor of John Dickinson, a Christian White man who signed the US Constitution. He was the leader of Pennsylvania and Delaware, and he freed the slaves of the Poplar Hall plantation. Would we be better off if he was silenced and wasn’t allowed to advocate the first amendment that gave Leda Fisher the privilege of publishing her ignorant anti-white opinions in the student newspaper that bears his name?

  333. Leda Fisher's Ego on February 11th, 2019 9:56 pm

    How’s that persecution complex coming along, Leda?

  334. Hypocrisy Von Bigotton on February 11th, 2019 10:01 pm

    I hear Monrovia and Lagos are almost 100% free of white voices, male or female. I am startled the eminent scholar responsible for this racist agitprop is unaware of these non-White Meccas. For shame, Dickinson! You have clearly hidden Geography from this person . Admit it– this failure to inform is really just a mask for your implicit racism. Isn’t it? ISN’T IT!?

    Expiate your sins, Dickinson. Declare Tawana Brawley as Dean of Geography with all speed. The world is watcbing!

    Only Ignorance can explain the author’s refusal to re-locate to a land free of revolting, subhuman White boys Fix it, Dickinson.

  335. jo on February 11th, 2019 10:21 pm

    wow, what a racist coward.

  336. JW on February 11th, 2019 10:41 pm

    I am officially calling bullshit on this column. As an American studies major/women’s studies minor, there is a less than ten percent chance that the author has been routinely talked over by white males in her classroom experience.

    The implication of course, is that its racist and sexist overtones seem to be … just that.

  337. Turtler on February 11th, 2019 10:43 pm

    @Mo Schmo

    “I am deeply concerned that the commenters, despite their expensive Dickinson education, don’t seem to understand racism and sexism. There is no such thing as racism against white people and not such thing as sexism against men. These words denote systemic oppression to which white men are not subjected.”

    As a student of history and a Californian who has tried to research different aspects of oppression, I will tell you to stuff it. Because not only is that not true, it is thoroughly racist and sexist.

    Racism and sexism have a lot to do with power and systems of oppression, but they rarely originate from them.

    And how do I know this?

    Ask Walter Rathenau. Foreign Minister of the German Republic, News Mogul, Minister of Reconstruction after WWI, and well integrated German Jew.

    He was being driven to the Foreign Office in a chauffeured car when he was murdered by actual Far-Right, White Supremacist terrorists, the Organization Consul.

    Who were his murderers? Representatives of ingrained German militarism, white supremacy, and Jew hatred to be sure. But on a personal level they were mostly bitter failures who could not even claim the benefit of German system, which had disbanded their previous Paramilitary Group and left them an isolated group of conspiratorial scumbags on the margins of society. The two of them that would survive that long later tried to join up with the NSDAP that made their ideologies mainstream. But in 1922 that would be a long way away- before even the Munich Putsch.

    So who benefited from the system here?

    Walter Rathenau WAS the system, or at minimum an integral part of it. And he was still killed by racist terrorists all the same.

    Likewise with French Saint Domingue and the brutality that occurred during its war of independence. The French slave society was indeed built off of the torture and murder of untold thousands of People of Color, both the Caribbean peoples who lived on the island before, and Africans/African descendants who were dragged across the blue graveyard that was the Atlantic Ocean to labor until their death. When a brief emancipation by the new French Republic led to the former slaves freeing themselves and creating a new society, Napoleon ordered his forces to reimpose slavery at bayonet point in what can only be called a war of “racial extermination” against the Haitians.

    So there was plenty of reason for bitterness to rise up against the French, and “Whites” in general.

    But it did not change the fact that the justifiably hated, genocidally racist French slave society had been uprooted for years and independence secured for months when “President”, Dictator, and future Emperor Dessalines commanded that the remaining French people be exterminated. Much like the Imperial Armies, men, women, and children were killed. And not unlike the Rwandan Genocidaires, he also victimized those who were supposedly “his people” but who did not want to act as racist murderers by threatening them with persecution or worse.

    Who was benefiting from systematic oppression then? The French whites had benefited from it before the Haitian Revolution. But they were clearly targets of a different systematic oppression after it. And one whose driving figure- as Dessalines himself wrote- was forged well before the Slavocracy was overthrown.

    To deny this is to deny history. To act as if one cannot be the target of prejudice or discrimination just because one supposedly has systematic power (or previously had so) is not to try and understand oppression or the quest for justice, it is merely trying to justify a new kind of oppression.

    ” What’s racist and sexist is the attacks on the author of the piece. White boys who are so offended by this post, I suggest you ask yourself why this offends you so.”

    No, it is not racist and sexist to criticize what is written for adopting racist assumptions (as you have). No, it is not racist and sexist to criticize logical failings, which are truly blind to all the false divisions and hateful myths of human existence. In fact, it would be racist and sexist to not criticize racism and sexism in a post when it appears purely because its targets are white men.

    What happened to the concept of judging people by merit, not on the color of their skin?

    ” Is it because you can’t count one black woman among your friends? ”

    Hahahahaha…..

    Did you just assume our ethnicities and genders?

    Yes. You did, didn’t you.

    For the record though, while I’m a pudgy white WASP myself, I’d have probably been driven out or shot by Antebellum Mississippi for being a dirty Yankee who went to Namibia, and has friends across the color spectrum. So please don’t try to assume who our friends are, you’re not very good at assuming.

    “Is it because you have no problem interrupting woman in your classes? ”

    No, it’s not.

    Most of the reasons we object to this article, are because it is fundamentally racist, sexist, logically incoherent, and above all provides no guide for how to demolish oppression. We have done as the author asked. We have listened to her viewpoint. And those of us who disagree have found it wanting.

    For much the same reason I find your own to be so.

    “Or, is it because you’be never considered what it might feel like to be a person of color at a majority white school in Trump’s America? ”

    I’ve considered that a lot more than how you’ve considered how poor Walter Rathenau felt as the bullets tore through his body during the height of interwar German democracy, how the Haitians felt when- just as peace seemed to have arrived- they were commanded by Dessalines to conduct one last atrocity much like that of the French. Who were given the choice of killing innocent people up to and including children, or being killed themselves.

    You have no grounds to lecture me on history or the humanities. And if all you have amounts to the Fallacy of Special Pleading- “It’s not racism/sexism if the target has the right Race/Gender” you know it.

    “I’ve heard Dickinson is progressive, but clearly that isn’t the case. White supremacy is alive and well here.”

    Apparently in 2019 in Trump’s America, Martin Luther King Jr. is a white supremacist.

    Or so you’d claim.

  338. Turtler on February 11th, 2019 10:46 pm

    @DiscussThisInstead Take your Jew Hating nonsense and bum off. Apparently you think racism is best answered by other racism.

    No. It’s best answered by breaking down the myth and holding people accountable for their actions. And if you really think 99/100 of people spewing anti-white racism are Jews, you have bigger problems with reality and basic math than fisking your sorry rear would be worth.

  339. JW on February 11th, 2019 10:50 pm

    Rick, no thanks re change petition.

    Shunning and scarlet a’s are a little too 19th century.

  340. Jose on February 11th, 2019 10:50 pm

    Please learn to code

  341. Ed on February 11th, 2019 10:58 pm

    This is a clear and obvious Title IX violation and I will be reporting it as such.

  342. S on February 11th, 2019 11:35 pm

    I will not shut up.

    I will not tolerate my dehumanization by a nitwit who can’t be bothered to see beyond my melanin count, which is apparently the determining factor in whether or not I have the right to anything at all.

    It is difficult to see this racist garbage as anything other than the prelude to an attempt at ethnic cleansing in the United States.

    Finally, this is why we’re keeping our guns.

  343. Molly Anastassiathe, Adjunct Professor of Modern Greek, Dickinson College; Director, A.C.A.M. in Greece on February 12th, 2019 12:36 am

    Hate speech is NOT freedom of speech. Prejudicial words or actions that incite hatred, racism, bigotry, sexism or any discrimination have no place in an academic setting that cultivates education, meritocracy, and tolerance, or in a democracy founded on the principles of equality, justice, liberty, mutual respect, civility, responsibility and accountability.

    If a graduating senior at Dickinson articulates so poorly and incoherently such terrible racial slur, then, I am afraid, we may have serious problems as an educational institution. This student has failed miserably, but she does not stand alone in this failure; she is the product of a particular era, generation, family, community, educational system and society. Her words are irrefutable evidence of a collective systems collapse: we have all failed along with her: parents, teachers, schools, society, and above all, our democracy.

    “Our democracy is getting self-destroyed, for it abused the rights of freedom and of equality; for it taught the citizens to regard insolence as a right, illegality as freedom, impertiness as equality, and anarchy as happiness.”
    Isocrates, ancient Greek orator (436-338 BC) 

    But, truth be told, who studies Isocrates today….

  344. Pat Kittle on February 12th, 2019 2:31 am

    Take the Jews (like this author) out of “White privilege” and see how much White privilege is left.

    BTW, Jews were extremely prominent in the transatlantic slave trade — even if (((Hollywood))) for some mysterious reason never gets around to that FACT.

  345. Vote Trump 2020 on February 12th, 2019 3:00 am

    I voted for Oprah Winfrey in 2018 but because of this ignorant troll I will vote for Trump in 2020 and stop tithing 25% of my salary to the United Negro College Fund.

  346. white boy on February 12th, 2019 3:35 am

    ‘no such thing as reverse racism because racism requires institutional power that blacks don’t have’ = nonsense

    Leda Fisher has the power to have her anti-white opinions published in the institution that is The Dickinsonian. I do not have the power to have my opinions published in a newspaper’s featured articles. So she has institutional power that I don’t have. Combine that power with her anti-white bigotry and she satisfies the ‘power + prejudice’ definition of racism.

    This is also on a national scale. Institutional power that does not extend to whites includes but is not limited to affirmative action, quota hiring, lowered college admission standards, the black mafia of federal employees, naacp, united negro college fund, rainbow coalition, jesse jackon’s corporate extortion racket, mainstream media racism hoaxes, madison avenue’s inaccurate depiction in advertising of black superiority, widespread overestimation of sports talent (see the website caste football us), the fact that white Americans have lost a larger percentage of their people fighting in the American Revolution, War of 1812, Civil War, WW1, and WW2, fighting for, among other things, the rights of black people. (I will concede that the only legitimate complaint of institutional racism against blacks over the last 50 years was their disproportionate drafting into Vietnam)

    Really this stupid newspeak definition of racism is just semantics, but I’m using the Saul Alinsky tactic of holding others to their own standards. But silly semantic arguments can be sidestepped by replacing terms such as “reverse racism” or “black racism” with “whitephobia”, “europhobia” (but not in a brexit context obviously), “anti-white bigotry”, “black resentment” or “black hatred”

  347. Steven L. Akins on February 12th, 2019 4:21 am

    The author is right, White people suck! She should definitely get rid of all the useless stuff that White people discovered or have brought into this world, starting with:

    * the computer
    * the world-wide web
    * the light bulb
    * the automobile
    * air conditioning
    * the telephone
    * the cellphone
    * the radio
    * airplanes
    * trains
    * subways
    * the microscope
    * the telescope
    * democracy
    * modern medicine
    * refrigerator
    * musical recording
    * photography

    I’m with the author: the sooner we take her lead and exterminate all White “boys” the better off the world will be!

  348. Dan Olson on February 12th, 2019 5:52 am

    If she is sick of listening to anything a white male has to say, then maybe she should be the one to leave the room.

  349. Jean Wares on February 12th, 2019 6:47 am

    Does Dickinson offer Anger Management classes?

  350. DiscussThisInstead on February 12th, 2019 7:12 am

    @ Turtler
    If you don’t believe me, look into it yourself. Obviously “99/100” is not the exact number, but “shooting from the hip”. But it’s not far from that and more importantly – the overrepresentation is staggering: Do remember how small this group is compared to the general population.

    And no, I’ll call it out as it’s a supremacist culture. And racism eh? “Jewish” is not a race, correct? Unlike white, black, asian etc – so how could it be “racism”? Atleast, that’s what we’re constantly told – that it’s just a religion. So logically, it should be just as fine to critisize jews as it is, say, christians.

    In short, I’m critizing a culture, over the fact that she and all too many adherents of said culture, are attacking people on the basis of race! Unlike race, culture DO have common denominators such as common beliefs and attitudes.

  351. DiscussThisInstead on February 12th, 2019 7:17 am

    @ Mo Schmo
    “There is no such thing as racism against white people and not such thing as sexism against men. These words denote systemic oppression to which white men are not subjected.”

    So silencing a whole group based on gender and race would not constitute systematic oppression? Please explain how such would not be systematic, and how it would not constitute oppression?

    “White supremacy is alive and well here.”
    So “white supremacy” = Allowing white men to have an opinion? Please explain how that’s supremacist.

  352. john w gibson on February 12th, 2019 9:30 am

    I haven’t waded through all of these responses, but the ones I’ve seen miss the point. Instead of asking themselves how they could do better, the writers lash out. Ms. Fisher’s essay generalizes because of repeated negative experiences. There’s no serious proposal to shut down free speech. It’s a kind of literature that isn’t to be taken literally: hyperbolic, a creative expression of exasperation. it presents a wish that many students would wake up and realize how presumptuous they are and how little they really understand of the things they’re opining about. It amazes me that so many white boys are so overly sensitive to criticism. I’m a white boy, and I know what she’s saying.! I see there’s a petition to have Ms. Fisher expelled from Dickinson. Anyone who signs it is making me ashamed of a fellow Dickinsonian. -John Gibson ’63

  353. Nesha on February 12th, 2019 9:31 am

    Leda honey you are on the John Montgomery scholarship, a scholarship that was named after a white man who brutally fought and killed Native Americans. Shame you carry such an opinion but have no trouble taking that dirty money.

  354. Rick on February 12th, 2019 9:47 am

    JW, Any scarlet letter is of her own making as a result of publicly publishing her sexist and racist rant. You may have been raised where everyone gets a trophy but it’s time to grow up. Dickinson’s silence reflects poorly and may even step into a Title IX violation. Granting this ill-informed, sexist, racist activist a degree would give her our seal of approval. Hopefully, administrators and the Board of Trustees recognizes that Leda does not reflect Dickinson values or demonstrate the critical expected of a Dickinson graduate.

  355. lol on February 12th, 2019 10:46 am

    This is so incredibly racist, whoever wrote this piece needs to be removed ASAP and made to attend a therapist.

  356. Ned2 on February 12th, 2019 10:48 am

    50 years ago you wouldn’t make it in to a college with this lack of intellect.

  357. aelfheld on February 12th, 2019 10:52 am

    Why is it those with nothing to say are so vehement?

  358. Tanya on February 12th, 2019 10:54 am

    Wow… Imagine the outrage if a white girl asked if black men should be able to talk in ANY situation. We’ve gone from wanting everyone to have equal rights to those who identify as a minority having special rights to hate, abuse & act with racism towards white people at will. Equality means everyone, including blacks, must give up their racist rhetoric & actions towards another race. Equality means everyone regardless of race should be hired based on qualifications not diversity & gender. Equality means everyone regardless of race should have to score the same to be accepted into colleges instead of different races accepted on a sliding scale based on race & gender. Equality means EVERYONE gets to talk & ask questions. Equality doesn’t allow for pathetic racist articles disparaging other races & trying to silence others. Grow up Leda

  359. Spiff Spaceman on February 12th, 2019 11:56 am

    Yes, the writer is racist. Let us not simply say the writer is racist. Let us name this racist writer: Leda Fisher the class of 2019.
    What should be clear is that Dickinson College fostered and created a racist through it’s academic programs. Not only should this backwards thinking individual, Leda Fisher, be denied a diploma the school should investigate the class programs that created such a vile product from their walls and fix them even if it means firing racist professors.
    Margee Ensign, the president of Dickinson, should get off her cushy seat from on high and have a discussion on how bigotry is fostered within her walls of higher education. How does one come to Dickinson, a supposed institution of Higher Learning, and come out with a brain filled with backwards thoughts and uncritical thinking abilities.
    Leda Fisher’s display of ignorance is a shining example of the non-education one will receive at Dickinson. It would be best for Alumni and Prospective students to avoid providing monetary support for an institution that churns out racists as a product of its degree paths.

  360. QP on February 12th, 2019 12:53 pm

    Leda Fisher is unemployable and unmarriageable moron.

    Dickinson is an overpriced school that delivers little if any value. In the case of fools like Leda, Dickinson delivers negative value.

    Will Dickinson survive another decade? Not if they are admitting stupid like this.

  361. tyty on February 12th, 2019 1:10 pm

    YOUR WRONGGGG

  362. Larry Lowrey on February 12th, 2019 2:00 pm

    Isn’t she supposed to be a “Goodwill Ambassador?”

    https://www.dickinson.edu/news/article/3511/

  363. Ankylus on February 12th, 2019 2:37 pm

    LOL, thank you for having your say. This is why I love freedom of speech so much-it gives people like this an opportunity to self-identify.

    And the next time a resume from a Dickinson College alum/student comes across my desk, I know to deposit it directly in the circular file. Thank you, again.

  364. JW on February 12th, 2019 3:18 pm

    Professor Anastassiathe:

    THANKYOUTHANKYOUTHANKYOUTHANKYOUTHANKYOU!!!!!

    I have suggested precisely this to the executive leadership of the school.

  365. CAL Shields '77 on February 12th, 2019 3:22 pm

    As a Dickinson alum I would prefer to be referred to as “lad” or “man” in college publications. Also I’m not “white” more a light brown or beige. Also I don’t feel that being loud has to do with ancestry, more with being a lawyer and coming from a large family. In my family, if you were not loud, no one would pass you the potatoes. Though I do feel entitled in that Dickinson was $3800.00 my freshman year. No wonder everyone is so angry these days.

    CAL Shields ‘77

  366. JW on February 12th, 2019 3:31 pm

    Rick,

    Well yes, people seldom get shunned without their own doing, and Leda is undoubtedly and deservedly reaping what she has sown.

    I am far far far from the trophy generation. But I’m also anchored enough to know that (i) you don’t throw a girl out of school for opinions expressed in school newspaper, however wrong they may be (unless perhaps they advocate a crime), and (ii) anybody who relies on Change.org petitions to accomplish anything in this world is hopelessly naiive and frankly, juvenile. The platform has long since jumped the shark, but I’m sure they appreciate having your contact information in the data that they sell to third parties.

    As for Title IX risks, I’m afraid you really don’t know what your talking about. And as for the university, yes, they have a big problem. They have forgotten the core tenets of the liberal arts, which they previously were among the better colleges at adhering to. (See the Professor’s comments above.) So frankly, penalizing the student will just allow the university to ignore/sweep under the rug its own shortcomings and faults in this matter.

  367. Lynette Martyn on February 12th, 2019 3:32 pm

    Leda,

    You go girl! I applaud the editor of the Dickinsonian for publishing this piece. I graduated in the 90s and have not made any recent donations but I will consider sending funds if I see more articles like this posted. The lack of support and ignorance expressed in the majority of the comments is a testimony to how little past graduates have been educated in the area of racism. As others have stated eloquently above, there is no such thing as reverse racism. The struggle is what defines racism and white people are not oppressed. Similarly, the color blind approach some of us grew up with in the 70s, 80s, and 90s is now recognized as hurting not helping the problem because if we do not recognize the way society oppresses people with darker skin we are contributing to institutionalized racism with our silence. So I repeat, you go Leda! By acknowledging the problem of white men taking up too much space, of their not making room to engage black women in the conversation, of no doubt many professors lifting up the voices of white men and not making space for the women and the black women in the room, Dickinson is complicit in continuing to support a culture of oppression and exclusion rather than fighting the status quo. A close friend was choosing between Dickinson and Macalester and I actively persuaded her away from Dickinson based on culture alone. I would urge administrators to dedicate some deep reflection on why this article was received so poorly from the community and what needs to be done to change this. I would start by offering reflection sessions on white privilege at all your alumni events both local and off campus, review how you support your faculty and staff of color, as well as your students of color and take a diversity lens to your curriculum offerings. We are living in a multicultural world and I fear Dickinson will not remain competitive if they do not start making some serious strides in addressing the institutional racism that we are currently fostering. A sincere thank you for your emotional labor, Leda. If I can ever be of support to you in the Boston area, look me up. Best, Lynette Martyn ’95

  368. Miguel on February 12th, 2019 5:04 pm

    Wow, at first I thought Lynette’s comment above, full of critical theory jargon, was a parody. But it’s not. This is a look inside the mind of a 3rd wave/4th wave feminist.

    She says: “As others have stated eloquently above, there is no such thing as reverse racism. ”

    Says who Lynette? I imagine there is no such thing as “reverse” sexism in your bizarro intersectionalist/feminist world? You’re just regurgitating critical theory dogma.

    Lynette goes on to make the sweeping generalization that the University is fostering institutional racism and needs to conduct “reflection sessions on white privilege”. George Orwell would be proud! Students, read his book, 1984. You will recognize people just like Lynette in the book.

    To the blacks that read Lynette’s comment. Her comment embodies the bigotry of low expectations. A white middle class woman is telling you that you are nothing but a victim and would rather stroke her own ego by signalling virtue than working to truly empower blacks. Just ask Thomas Sowell.

    To the young women reading her comment, this is a look into the mind of a feminist. It’s full of an obsession with victimhood, resentment and authoritarianism. It’s not a healthy way to live in this world.

    Live free. Think free.

  369. ou812 on February 12th, 2019 5:41 pm

    How dare you make assumptions about anyone’s gender identity, Leda!

  370. Kristaps on February 12th, 2019 6:26 pm

    You are SO brave to write this. To point out the flaws of an entire group of people, with zero nuance, and with zero shame! You ARE the resistance! Other people better woke up- you are a HERO!

  371. DaVante on February 12th, 2019 6:51 pm

    Leda, maybe you should focus less on the messengers and more on the content of the messages. When you felt ignored, cut off, and drowned out, how much of your preceding statements were unoriginal regurgitations of sjw grievance boilerplate speaking points? How often did you sincerely use terms such as “privilege”, “entitlement”, “systemic discrimination”, “institutionalized racism”, “disparate impact”, “critical theory”, “historically disadvantaged”, “slavery”, “400 years of oppression”, “jim crow”, “redlining”, “criminal justice system”, “lynching”, “emmitt till”, “genocide”, “holocaust”, “antisemitism”, etc? When hearing the “white boys” talk, even if you found them to be disagreeable, did it ever strike you that their comments were original, individually thought-out attempts at honesty?
    I suspect that you’re ignored not because you’re a Jewish black woman, but because your comments are somr combination of unoriginal, boring, tedious, incorrect, dishonest, belligerent, and/ or annoying.
    Best of luck

  372. Alex Chad on February 12th, 2019 7:02 pm

    Your talking about college age males, and refer to them as “boys.” Wouldn’t they be considered men or at the very least adults ? I wonder if I wrote an article that used the term black boys to describe black adult men dozens of times, I don’t believe that would go over well. One other point, I’m sure every individual in the room “thinks” that their opinion is the most important.

  373. John Smith on February 12th, 2019 7:40 pm

    The author isn’t racist. She just hates white people.

  374. Jambes Marks on February 12th, 2019 9:21 pm

    Not only is Leda Fisher racist, but she is wrong. Everyone has the right to participate in class. Having knowledge or opinions isn’t a function of race. When Leda Fisher doesn’t want the “white boys” to talk, she is actually admitting she cannot compete with them. If she thought herself the equal of the “white boys”, she’d be able to go toe-to-toe with anyone in a discussion.

    With an inferiority complex like Leda’s, she’ll probably end up as a barista. The “white boys” she feels inferior to? They’ll likely end up in grad school, professional school, or with real jobs.

    Someone secure in their own knowledge and their own worth as a person has no need to put anyone else down.

  375. Julie Yao on February 13th, 2019 12:32 am

    I transferred out of Dickinson last semester. I have never felt seen on that campus. My “happiest” moment on that campus was protesting the all-faculty meeting held after the blackface incident from Halloween ’18, when I held hands with people I barely knew. That was when I felt most connected to people on that campus because finally I felt like I was surrounded by people who wanted to see me. I left Dickinson because I burned out. In ways I preferred to be different, Dickinson taught me about white privilege, as well as how to own my identity as a person of color, an immigrant, and all my privileges as an upper middle class cisgender straight East Asian woman. I am still finding ways and courage to process the two years, but I am now finally breathing.

    Thank you for your voice, Leda. I wish you all the best and want you to know that I and so many others stand with you. Your piece is absolutely on point and speaking every truth I wish I had the courage to scream from the bottom of my heart on my way out in December 2017. White people in 2019, particularly white men, sometimes just all cisgender men, who still don’t get how they are taking too much space are exactly the problem. Screw them. You are on your way out. Keep your head up, and don’t let them break you.

  376. Merrill Danford on February 13th, 2019 12:38 am

    Hi, Leda, I hope you get a chance to read this.

    I am a white boy–although at 52, ha ha, I wish!—and I just want to say, spot on.

    Balanced, restrained, intelligent, and not at all “racist.”

    I find the negative responses amusing, disturbingly ignorant, and exaggeratedly defensive.

    READ MORE and GROW UP.

    Totally ridiculous that a white boy would dare to speak about his understanding of the black experience. Unless it’s to describe limits and ask questions.

    I see some Incel losers up above who, if they aren’t Incel now, soon will be.

  377. Daniel Thomas on February 13th, 2019 12:40 am

    Leda – I get your point on the history of the white male voice and the power it carries historically given, I suspect, economic advantage for a sustained period. I also get your point on how exasperating that can be. It can be of several equivalents in any other community that has history. I guess my question is how do you propose to challenge white male voices sans the constraint of anger. You must know that being angry can only translate so far and get you only so much. Personally, you seem to have, based on this one article, an apparent writing style that can take you places. Channel your energy , focus your thoughts and maybe consider the reason that you are in college… to learn and apply what you learn, not to attempt to stifle communication from/of others (others specifically being white males).

  378. Jose Morales on February 13th, 2019 12:50 am

    SJW are going BANANAS. As an Hispanic American I AM sick and tiered of the racism towards white folks. When the communists were unable to start a revolution with the haves and have nots they created identity politics. Here you are American OR you are not. Who cares what the color of your skin is. One thing for certain all our blood is red. And we shit and we all stink.

  379. White Success on February 13th, 2019 1:00 am

    You’re so jealous of white success… White males are the strongest form of human on the planet and we have centuries of proof to back it up. Keep runnin your mouth little lady, once you enter the real world you’re gonna have to learn to be quiet though. For your own good.

  380. Dickinson Alumna 123 on February 13th, 2019 1:25 am

    As an alumna, this is one of the more disturbing and troubling things i’ve seen posted from my college alma-mater in a long time. But i hate to say I am shocked but After students last year tried to remove their democratically elected student government president for her political views and even go so far as to prevent her from graduation, this mindset might be the new norm at Dickinson; a disturbing prospect for those who want to learn, grow and engage NOT just those who agree with but with those who see things differently (a value I had once thought was a priority at Dickinson College)

    I was left under the believe that most people attend college to experience and grow new things. To ‘engage the world’ as many Dickinsonians once joked but now instead of challenging your own views, your own experiences, and doing good, Leda, you scream about the over influence of ‘white men’ whose ‘unoriginal opinions’ are in your view wrong. Is suppression what you are advocating for?….I had though Ben Rush had wanted to create a ‘useful education’ that aspired to the democratic principle of the ‘new nation.’ Guess those principles only apply to those you agree with and like…or perhaps in the limestone walls broad stereotyping of ‘white men’ is acceptable.

    Why do you, Leda, instead not call for the very voices to get involved, to input their opinions, to engage and make a change. Inspire and empower! Dickinson needs more diverse voices! I agree with you there! But It’s not up the men to ‘shut up’ simply because you disagree with their point of view.

    The better approach would be to open a dialogue and teach! Some people will continue to choose to be ignorant but many will listen.Encourage those who in your view point need to more vocal to share the opinions! Help them work through their fear. Dickinson is a ‘safe community’ for conversation. Silencing others will not make others speak.

    Maybe this article is meant to be mocking, but acting and assigning all ‘white men’ to some boorish brute stereotype is not only woefully ignorant on your part but is extremely hypocritical.

  381. A Wyatt Man on February 13th, 2019 1:31 am

    Let’s take this opportunity to consider the curious liberal notion of “White Privilege.” As I understand it, this is the idea that White people can do and say things that blacks cannot.

    Well, here we have what appears to be a half-black/half-Jewish woman–excuse me, girl–spilling the most vile, acid, racist hatred of White people…and it is clear that she will face no consequences from the college administration or really, at all. One need not speculate on the fate of a White man at Dickinson who wrote an opinion piece about his annoyances with every DeBrickashaw, LeBradford and Tyrone: he would be immediately expelled.

    And what did the White Students’ organization at Dickinson have to say about Miss Fischer’s bigotry? Well, not much, since there’s no White Students’ organization there or at any U.S. college (and can we honestly say with vicious hate-mongers like Miss Fisher running around–and reading the comments, there are actually people DEFENDING her rancid intolerance–that such an organization is not needed? There are people who HATE us–despise us–merely for being White).

    So, “White Privilege” means:

    * White people don’t get to band together to protect our interests
    * White people must constantly accept denigration by racists like Miss Fischer
    * White people can’t speak the truth about blacks–for instance, it’s racist to mention that blacks commit most violent crime in the US–but blacks are free to lie openly about Whites

    Although she is a despicable and small-minded segregationist, THIS WILL IN NO WAY HAMPER MISS FISCHER’s FUTURE (her terrible writing and limited intelligence may): she can join the professional grievance industry and perpetuate racist tripe against White people…for money! There is a thriving industry promoting hatred of Whites, and a good number of people–for instance, Tim Wise, like Miss Fischer, Jewish or Charles Blow, like Miss Fischer, black–who make an excellent living grousing full-time about Whites.

    “White Privilege,” my ass.

  382. Anonymous on February 13th, 2019 1:47 am

    I don’t care about the writer, her intellectual capacity is obviously so much lower than mine that I would need the Hubble telescope just to see an outline of her… No, i’m speaking to everybody who has commented with any level of outrage to this article because you need to hear something important. From what I’ve read, nobody has even come close to making this point.

    She sounds like an ignorant Trumpian-style troll; the type of loudmouth bigoted liar that has dominated your head spaces for the last three years. My GOD Look at all this outrage. If you saw someone speaking like this in public, would you honestly get mad? Of course not — you’d laugh your asses off!

    This piece was written by an unintelligent, inarticulate, and clearly bigoted person. Would you argue the merits of mercy and livelihood to an ax murderer? No… then why would you argue the merits of well thought-out and intelligent argumentative strategies with an idiot? Answer, maybe you would but you shouldn’t. Why? It’s simply a waste of time.

    So, let me put in my 2-cents and add clarity to what you all claim, that she’s a racist….Is she a racist? By the use of her textbook definition in her terrible Yahoo! defense commentary, NO. Racism is using bias and institutional norms to prop up unfair policies or systems that marginalize and put into submission certain groups to others… Like when the courts, in response to lawsuits as a result of disproportionate police assaults on minorities, enact laws that limit the definition scope of police brutality. Thus, making legal action against brutally racist cops less likely with each successive legal failure. When cops and judges subscribe to this, things not suprisingly have gotten worse for minorities as a result, especially black men. THAT’S RACISM. This point, by the way, was plucked from my study of THE NEW JIM CROW by Michelle Alexander. A GREAT BOOK for people who ACTUALLY want to know what real racism looks like.

    I think the word you’re all looking for is BIGOT.

    Here’s the definition of BIGOT, by the way: a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions. Pretty simple. You don’t need to read more than two sentences into her article to answer this question. She is clearly a bigot.

    But let’s look at the broad-view one last time before I leave you all to your rage. This article is such unintelligent and outraged trash. The type of garbage you find on yahoo comment boards or donald trumps twitter feed just a little bit longer and a little bit angrier. You should all be so happy that one of these yahoo comment board trolls had the guts to show their face. Now we have an example of what they look like. They look like this: https://www.linkedin.com/in/leda-fisher-3b6b3017a/.

    Go in peace my sisters/brothers of all shapes/colors/sizes.

  383. Chad Thunderdong on February 13th, 2019 2:03 am

    Top shelf racism. Had to look up your bio.

    “Favorite class is “Fat Studies” taught by a Women’s, Gender & Sexuality Studies professor.”

    Do you plan on being a barista or waitress after College?

  384. EW on February 13th, 2019 2:17 am

    I believe the author is an angry, ignorant person more than she is a racist. Her definition of racism, from academic departments and activist space, is fictitious as well; further proof of her ignorance. I’ve attended 10 different colleges in 6 different states, each with their own academic departments and activist spaces, but I have never heard such a useless definition of any word. She has been grossly misled at some point in her life and doesn’t seem to be in touch with reality.

    Yes, white boys should be allowed to talk. So should all other “colors” of boys and girls, especially as long as idiots like the author continue to write. Their must be reasonable talk, from all races and genders, to balance out and hopefully overcome the ignorance spread by authors such as Ms. Fisher.

  385. ت.علی on February 13th, 2019 2:36 am

    You are racist, sister. I am Middle Eastern, feminist, LGBT, and Marxist and I find this article extremely racist and dangerous. What’s next? Having white students wear badges? Aktion 4? You’ve got it all wrong.

  386. Thom Felton on February 13th, 2019 2:37 am

    Elswehere, the author said this:

    “I will share the widely accepted definition used across academic departments and activist space. Racism is composed of racial prejudice interpersonally and institutional bias against racial minorities. I do not hate white people, and no institution has ever built a system around disenfranchising or marginalizing white men, so I am not a racist.”

    Ah yes, the academically-held Orwellian redefinition of a well-known English word that justifies your anti-social behavior. For someone who doesn’t like the opinions of white boys, you’ve had no trouble internalizing the opinions of that white boy Karl Marx and his casting of all of life as a struggle between Oppressor and Oppressed.

  387. Jeffrey on February 13th, 2019 3:10 am

    Perhaps I didn’t see it, but you can’t dismiss everything “white” boys say in lectures, articles, etc. If it is pertinent to the subject in the class, they might have some information valuable to you. If you already come in with the notion they are wrong, you will miss. One last thing, spend more time researching and forming your own opinions instead listening to what others tell you to think. Don’t blame people today for things of yesteryear, but don’t dismiss what happened either because you can’t change it. All you can do is move forward and live your life the best way you see fit. If you allow the past to influence your decisions about today, you will live your whole life hating people who never did a thing to you.

  388. John Gatto on February 13th, 2019 6:51 am

    I see the schools are doing what they were intended to do – divide and conquer.

  389. Annie J on February 13th, 2019 7:47 am

    This “article” is the perfect example of the double standard in our society today. It is accepted that becuase the article is wrote by a person of color that they can not be racist. Yet every last word is seething with hate. If a white person had wrote this they would have been expelled and the college would have issued an apology. But this student will be celebrated. If she where to get expelled it would only launch her in to fame being the new face for “racial injustice.” Welcome to our new society where the “equality ” people claim to be seeking means the rules are better for them. This is disgusting and Dickson college should be ashamed. We are on our way to another holocaust humans will never change. They will always assume their hate is justified.

  390. James L on February 13th, 2019 7:58 am

    Freedom is speech is important and Ms. Flsher certainly has a right to her views but this is a poorly written piece by any measurement. Rather, the sexist and racist overtones overshadow an opportunity to truly understand her viewpoint. She missed a great opportunity place us in her shoes and take us on a trip as a young black woman in 2019. She arbitrarily cuts off this opportunity, any debate or any discussion by wholly discounting the views or opinions of an entire race and sex simultaneously comes across as petty, angry, and arrogant. Not a good starting point for any writer to make their point.

  391. Hockey on February 13th, 2019 8:07 am

    What a professional victim piece of bullshit this op-ed is. And the writer is actually a student? A professional victim sounds more like it.

    I’ll rewrite the piece for you.

    Should White Boys Still Be Allowed to Talk?

    Yes, they should. Everyone is allowed to talk.
    – The End

  392. Andrew on February 13th, 2019 8:20 am

    As a alumnus of Dickinson I’m glad Leda voiced her opinion. I learned several things from my time at Dickinson, the first and most profound is question everything. The second is be open to criticism and use it as a tool of self reflection, re-evaluation, and reconstruction. If you are afraid to self reflect and leave the posobily that you might not be correct out of the equation then you are closed off and are failing yourself. You will not grow. Question it all, to the core. Rebuild your base from honest research and evaluation. What better way to question your own opinion than to go public with it. That’s the irony of this article. This is openly her opinion with a silent “do you agree?” attached to the end. At least out of the respect for the brilliant minds that have established the rich history of Dickinson I would hope it would be. Otherwise it would be a closed minded article. The irony dissipates if we all continue to self reflect, question everything and re-evaluate. So Leda, continue to voice your opinion as the “white Boys” do in your article, remember the search for truth lies in debate. It will never be discovered unless you truly open your mind.

  393. White Boy on February 13th, 2019 8:26 am

    I am now dumber because of this.

  394. Leon on February 13th, 2019 8:41 am

    You don’t hate white people but you capitalize every ‘b’ in black but leave every ‘w’ in white lower case. Your racial hatred shines right through. I, however, do not blame you. An “American studies” major (any *insert group* studies major) is generally going to lack the intellect necessary to distinguish pertinent details, whatever the topic. As for the “widely held” definition of racism, that particular one is only widely held in the echo-chamber you frequent. Outside if it, the other standards definition of the word is just as popular (the one that uses it as a synonym for racially based hatres). By that equally common use of the word, you are definitely a racist, and using your own definition of the word, you are still full of racial hatred. Your a bigot, and not a bery intelligent one.

  395. Sam Rutherford on February 13th, 2019 8:59 am

    Should a stupid ignorant person be allowed to write an opinion article? We don’t need you to answer that we have our answer. Read your reply on yahoo, on how you are not a racist because you are going to use the “definition used across academic departments and activist space”. Call it what you will but you are a bigot, hypocrite and a liar so theres that.

  396. sam altomere on February 13th, 2019 9:43 am

    well..as to your definition of a racist and why it does not apply to you….hmmm…so if I get your meaning correctly…(and lord knows I am just a narrow-minded white man) as long as you state this opinion in a place where whatever group you attach yourself to is a minority (and let’s face it, we all can find a way to be a minority if that is what we would like to be), you can spread hate and discontent toward any generalized, stereotyped group of people whom are of higher number than your group? So…if you originated this piece in the Congo, or Senegal, or any country, state, principality (you get my drift) in which your group is the majority…or is not considered the minority, then…..and only then..would the same words be classified as racist?
    Why is it that when someone wants to justify something that is clearly wrong, or tasteless, or morally detestable, do they then, and only then decide that strict adherence to a definition is the frame upon which they would like to hang and display their ugly views?
    I would like to propose a new test of racism or…of useless hateful banter: (this applies in this country more than most) if I were to replace the word white in your article with the word black…would their be an uproar from the black community screaming about it’s racist gibberish? I would further, for the sake of maintaining the narrow point of view, assign the author to the “white girl” group…and then test political atmosphere again for an uptick in uproar.
    The racial grouping and discriminatory issues in the country are NEVER going to be solved or even addressed credibly if we all insist on be separatists and sectioning ourselves into groups (ie….massing together in a corner to complain). If we would all like to be Americans…hell…if we would all like to be a member of the mankind (and womankind…maybe we could start with a better term for the group of humans who live on this earth together) then maybe we should consider melding into this one big group and speaking with one voice made up of the consensus of the many instead of standing on our street corners and making faces at the groups on the other side of the streets or pretending that we are not members of our narrowly focused groups because there is a momentary monetary advantage to be had.

  397. Ron on February 13th, 2019 9:50 am

    While I can’t say I wholeheartedly agree with the piece, it’s clearly labeled “Opinion” and posted in the student ran newspaper.
    So, for all of you slamming the college, it’s not a dictatorship. People are allowed to have opinions,
    and this young ladies should be a jumping off point for larger discussions .

  398. BENJAMIN HAEGER on February 13th, 2019 9:54 am

    this student should be expelled, if a white student wrote this about minorities, it would be national news

    I am appalled by this article

  399. MeMe on February 13th, 2019 10:05 am

    I’m really sick and tired of this crap. From everyone but more so the black community that does in fact spend a lot of its time knocking down everything whites do and making really broad, racist assumptions along the way all the while calling everyone else racist but themselves. Just stop already.

    PS not all white boys are named Jake, Chad and Alex. In fact, this white woman doesn’t know any.

  400. JAKE on February 13th, 2019 10:10 am

    First off my name is JAKE… And a “white boy”.. In itself used to be offensive.. My best friend is bi racial with African american, named CHRIS… I have a african american wife and biracial son. Yes I am a white boy.. Or just a Man. A Man. Forget the color i don’t need to be desribed like a car. Im a human being just like you are. You are a stubborn, rude, selfish and 1 sided thinking black woman probably named LEDA!! Or any other sterotypical name that I could say to be rude like you did assuming that because of your SKIN color or NAME that your the same as the others of that resoective race or name… Some of us WHITE BOYs come from great families while ALSO living amongst other ethnicities. All of my close friends are of different races. Therefore I have heard and learned of trials and tribulations. Ive seen the hurt and witnessed it first hand with them in public. It hurts me deeply that the same person who has been oppressed and lumped together in sterotypical categories, who knows how that feels, (YOU LEDA) would do the same to others. Do not include me In your ridiculous sterotyping. I CANT EXPLAIN ENOUGH HOW BAD THIS FRUSTRATED ME.

  401. D. Harrison on February 13th, 2019 10:16 am

    I’m a mother to two young “white boys” (as you would so rudely call them). So I should just raise them to shut up and sit down? I should tell my toddler son that he doesn’t have a voice and has no meaning in life? I should tell my pre-teen son that he’s a waste of space and should put a gun in his mouth, so as not to offend women? No. I’m raising them to be kind, educated, and classy. They have JUST AS MUCH value as you do. Not more, but certainly not less. They deserve a voice and a opinion just as much as you. I do hope that I teach them better than your parents did though. I hope I manage to instill equality and respect. I have a daughter too and guess what, I’m raising her the same. I’m sorry you feel let down by white men, but for what’s it’s worth, my son’s didn’t ask to be born. They didn’t come out of the womb, high-fiving the doctor because they are the “chosen ones”. They deserve a good life, where people treat them with dignity and respect….just as you do! Stop being so angry and look to bridging to gaps instead of making the race divide wider.

  402. Dr. J. T. Hansen on February 13th, 2019 10:26 am

    This is a powerful piece, and powerful pieces make people uncomfortable. The backlash in some of the comments here speaks to inherent racism that cannot accept that “equal” and “equity” are two different concepts.

    It saddens me that so many people outside the Dickinson College are feeling the need to get involved here. A petition to expel a student? Someone you don’t even know? Over an opinion? Ridiculous. Let the students do what they need to do to develop into people who will lead our world forward into the future – even if and when that means finding their own powerful voices.

    Thank you for this piece. It made me reflect on my own teaching and wonder whether and when I might be amplifying some voices more than others. I appreciate the prompting to do so.

  403. Brian Logsdon on February 13th, 2019 10:29 am

    Congratulations Leda,

    Your four years of college have trained you to be a racist.

    When my son was a Freshman (at another school), he point output to me that it will be impossible for racism to end. When I asked why, he said, “Because the are people on both sides who want it.”

    I suspect he just described you to a “T”.

    Good luck finding a job … your digital footprint looks pretty bad right now.

  404. Heywood on February 13th, 2019 10:32 am

    What an original, well thought out writing. I’m sure that this won’t meet with any disagreement and/or controversy.

  405. B Ingram on February 13th, 2019 10:33 am

    Thank you Leda. I know your future will be filled with successes.
    You are correct and the responses prove that they are unable to “critically examine where your viewpoints come from, read a text that challenges you without looking for reasons to dismiss it, and maybe try listening from now on.”

  406. Brian Frost on February 13th, 2019 10:34 am

    Substitute “black people” everywhere it says “white boys,” and this is recognized as unacceptable hate speech. As it sits, it’s “acceptable” hate speech.

    Hatred is a universal language, even if it isn’t universally recognized.

  407. Jamal on February 13th, 2019 10:34 am

    The Irony is we black men want white girls. She is just irrelevant

  408. K. Love on February 13th, 2019 10:36 am

    The full-throated display of white fragility displayed in the comments is terrifying. Ya’ll need some Robin DiAngelo and Ijeoma Oluo stat.

  409. Steve on February 13th, 2019 10:41 am

    It was white men who walked on the moon. It was mostly white men who died in WW1. WW2, Korean, Vietnamese the gulf wars. I guess white men do have things to talk about. You have to if you want to accomplish great things

  410. Ladani on February 13th, 2019 10:44 am

    Do you remember how Dee Dee Ramone failed to become a rapper, and offered the hilarious explanation as to why? He said “I’m not a negro, so I don’t know, but I want to.” At least he was sincere. Would you rather see a white boy stand up and say “I can’t really give an opinion on the black experience, because I’m not black” and then not attend class? What if he read some books on black history (like Race Matters by Cornell West) and came to the conclusion that black people create their own misery? What if the white boy in your class took a year off to work as a correction officer, then came back with a really hostile opinion about black people?

    You seem to think that white people are unqualified to write, speak, or research about black people. I promise you, the ones with informed opinions (gained through experience and observation) will be a lot worse. You’re not going to like it.

  411. Tom Leykis on February 13th, 2019 10:44 am

    Is english your 2nd language? The bar in “women’s studies” has gone even lower. You’re all class. honey. Lol

  412. Alice on February 13th, 2019 10:47 am

    So what you are saying is POC and Womyn are too weak to stand up for ourselves, and that white men must be silent for us to talk? Personally, I want them to talk, so I can use the greatest tools I have to shout them down when they are wrong: logic, intellect, and my voice.

  413. Jacqueline on February 13th, 2019 10:50 am

    Why even have white men and others go to the same university of college then? We can give them back Harvard and Yale and Princeton, then they can just talk about things freely without ever worrying about speaking over people.

  414. Guillermo Santos on February 13th, 2019 10:50 am

    Ms. Fisher is clearly a racist, among other faults. If you base everything in your life on race, and your actions are based on race, and your writing is based on race, and your complaints are race based, guess what? You are a flaming racist, regardless if it’s your opinion that only others and not you are capable of racism. Your ignorance does not make the racism disappear.

  415. BAM on February 13th, 2019 10:52 am

    Fisher told Yahoo Lifestyle that her article raised issues that affect students of color. “[Regarding claims I am racist], I will share the widely accepted definition used across academic departments and activist space. Racism is composed of racial prejudice interpersonally and institutional bias against racial minorities. I do not hate white people, and no institution has ever built a system around disenfranchising or marginalizing white men, so I am not a racist.”

    This is your problem right there. That is a made up definition of racism that both allows you to hold onto your hateful beliefs and you think it gives you the right to say whatever you want without repercussions. The actual definition of racism is “prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race on the belief that one’s own race is superior.” So yes, by the factual definition you are a racist.

  416. Theonis Presely on February 13th, 2019 10:52 am

    My son a few years ago had all the awards, Valedictorian, all the merit based awards, all the city and state awards, even a National Championship. What does this author have that makes her so intelligent and informed? He was looking at all the schools in the Northeast, you know Harvard, Yale, Princeton, etc. However, he had heard of the incredible prejudices schools have against southern men. Let me make something clear, he went to a Public School, his best friends were and still are minorities including LGBTQ, and he is highly intelligent. He decided against the Northeast specifically to avoid highly prejudiced students and professors like this author. He made a great decision. And the Northeast will continue on their path of prejudice and ignorance as to what real people are like from the South. He is way too intelligent to ever write an article like this, because he knows better, he knows what is real in this world and what is hype.

  417. Martha H Harris on February 13th, 2019 10:56 am

    You are so right!! Thank you for having the courage to bring this forward! I’m sorry you are getting the white fragility backlash.

  418. Ken on February 13th, 2019 10:57 am

    This article is divisive and generalist. I cringed at the amount of ignorance to the racial double standard this piece exposes about our times. We need to stop judging on the color of peoples skin and use the content of their character to form opinions. A word to the writer. Stop. Stop hurting America. This article hurts America…and it says. “I’m not racist and sexist but…” (invoke racist and sexist opinions here). Trash.

  419. R. R. on February 13th, 2019 11:06 am

    I am not a Dickinson student or alum, however, I am in an EEO related field with ample years of experience in training, teaching, and workforce development. I am also Hispanic; born in Mexico and raised in Brooklyn, NY. First, Ms Fisher’s definition of racism is very incorrect. What she defined is discrimination, not racism; a very common mistake for those that do not understand the difference or have been in the direct position to examine it. Racism is: Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one’s own race is superior. Discrimination is: The unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex. I put those definition there not to insult anyone’s intelligence, but to show those that do not know the difference how they differentiate. Yes, racism leads to discrimination, but it does not work vice-versa. Ms Fisher has all the rights to think that she may be excluded, but I truly think the way she expressed it through this paper is unproductive. To answer her question posed through the paper, yes we should still let them talk. Knowing what you are doing or what you are saying is not entirely true can only be done if everyone else hears it. Censoring people only develops resentment and creates conflict. Part of mentoring and teaching is also correcting, and we cannot correct if we do not know what is being said. No one person in this wonderful country will ever be 100% right. We are at a crossroads in our society where we are evolving and as we all know, evolution sometimes takes a very bumpy step. We have to remember that we can be opponents in debates but that does not mean we are enemies. Mutual respect is something that too many forget. Yes, minorities were not included in the manifest destiny belief, but it does not mean we cannot forge a better relationship to show everyone that the current system needs adjustments. Pieces like this do not help build the bridge of reconciliation. This piece is the same as saying all of those crossing the border are criminals; clearly not the case because I am not a criminal, just a productive member of society. Ms Fisher needs to reevaluate her position on these issues and prepare a piece that reflects what she learned during her collegiate career. Hate is not a one-way street and it can manifest itself in various ways. The best way to combat it is by taking a moment to see the bigger picture of what it wants to affect, and stop it from getting there. For those criticizing Ms Fisher in a demeaning way, don’t. Instead, help her understand why her views are no different than any other person with racist beliefs. Mentor her to analyze people’s positions and their understandings before creating a rebuttal. It is easier to sit in your chair and type away a chastising comment instead of taking some time to have an educated conversation with her. Best of luck to Ms Fisher because the working world is a very unforgiving domain when you smear your own name before putting any value in it.

    R. R., EdD

  420. Dan Pansing on February 13th, 2019 11:06 am

    I am most likely, exactly the person to who this author is referring. Although certainly not raised in financial privilege; I have never known the pain and humiliation of racism, prejudice, or sexism. I have never been in fear of my safety when interacting with law enforcement, or had to worry what some ham-handed man’s motivation was when speaking with someone new. That said, I am still one of those guys that are absolutely convinced that my view of the world, and my opinions on topics are more correct than most. That my superpower is being able to tell good from bad, right from wrong, without exception or equivocation. I can prove it to you; I believe that right now. I do believe that the author paints with an awfully broad brush, but also believe it has nothing to do with hate, fear or prejudice. I can imagine what it must be like sitting in a classroom full of Brads and Seans. On one hand looking for the cheap laugh, because they are sure they have the right answer; I was that guy.
    Most of these comments on this article are asinine at best. School newspapers and college campuses are exactly the forum for this kind of dialogue. So to the parents of Brad and Sean, get a doughnut pillow to sit on for a few days, it tends to relive the symptoms butt-hurt, and move your damned Subaru, this area is for the dropping off or picking up of students only.

  421. Linda on February 13th, 2019 11:06 am

    I totally agree with everything stated in this article and it is NOT racist. White folks will claim it’s racist, no surprise there, because the vast majority refuse to accept and acknowledge that reverse racism does not exist, at least not in the same sense as that perpetrated by whites against black folks. And, white people refuse to acknowledge and/or admit to their own racist tendencies. I am a white female and so many white males drive me nuts with the same BS outlined in this article. Very few are cognizant of the truth and fewer are willing to admit it and change themselves. Kudos to this author for speaking out. It just saddens me more than anything that white people are not standing up to this crap every chance they get. I always try and have lost jobs as a result, but it is worth it. White people, as a whole, sicken me…including so many of those commenting on this article. Ignorant, hateful, despicable fools.

  422. Chad White on February 13th, 2019 11:11 am

    I think she needs to save herself (and her parents?) some money, drop out of college for now, join the US military and learn a thing or two from a truly racially diverse setting that requires mutual trust and understanding, and teamwork.

  423. Anne on February 13th, 2019 11:11 am

    This is a very good example of racism. Who r u to tell people who can and cant talk. If someone had wrote this about an African american, LGBTQ, or any other minority this would have been taken down by now. I have nothing but support and love for these groups. My brothers are of African american descent and my cousin is gay. My son is half Hispanic. Even though I am white, I have a multi-racial family. I may not know someone else’s exact prespective on a situation but I can give my view on it. Thank god for freedom of speech. So u r allowed to write what u think and I have the right to tell you that you your racist and your opinion and hatred can now be compared to a white supremacist. Congratulations from the sounds of it you have become what you hate.

  424. Tyler Clark on February 13th, 2019 11:18 am

    “I will share the widely accepted definition used across academic departments and activist space. Racism is composed of racial prejudice interpersonally and institutional bias against racial minorities. I do not hate white people, and no institution has ever built a system around disenfranchising or marginalizing white men, so I am not a racist.”

    This quote says it all. I am not racist because our newly revised definition of racism – which is defined as a prejudice against someone of another race – is now just prejudice against a minority. Therefore, no one can be racist against white people.

    This newly invented definition is racist. This woman is a great example of the infestation of convoluted SJW’s and their deluded, twisted thought process. It is a real disease.

  425. Ann Junkin on February 13th, 2019 11:18 am

    I am a 56 year old white woman who grew up in Ohio, and I consider myself progressive. Kudos to Leda for having the courage to speak her mind. The commenters who are “outraged” by her words need to look in the mirror. I would bet 99% of you who are offended are white males. You are proving Leda’s point perfectly. I will answer her question as well. Should white boys still be allowed to talk? I’ll qualify the answer to that question by saying “No, white boys should not be allowed to talk…over women, over minorities, over people from cultures of which they have no knowledge or personal experience.” I would never, ever, ever pretend to know what it is like to be a person of color. Therefore, my job is to shut up and listen, read, learn with open ears about what it is like from those who personally experience racism day in and day out in the good ‘ole U.S. Yes, it DOES still exist, contrary to what those who choose to bury their heads in the sand want to believe. So, white boys/men, it is also your job to shut up, listen, and learn. The fact that this article makes so many feel defensive proves that their perceived superiority is threatened. No worries, white folks, nobody is stealing your power and privilege. Those who have had to fight for equal rights will continue to face challenges in every setting, will continue to have their motives questioned, will continue to be attacked for expressing their beliefs and ideas. White boys/men will continue to dominate government, however, we are beginning to make inroads there, thank goddess!!! And no, I’m not gay.

  426. Ski Easy on February 13th, 2019 11:20 am

    “To all the Chrises, Ryans, Olivers, and Seans out there, I encourage you to critically examine where your viewpoints come from, read a text that challenges you without looking for reasons to dismiss it, and maybe try listening from now on.”

    -Leda Fisher

    Clearly reading these comments most of you can’t do this. Rather try to understand where she’s coming from and what she’s saying you’d rather continue down the path or ignorance, because I guess as they say ignorance is bliss. No matter how Black people cry out on inequalities, institutional racism, out right racism, white supremacy, white privilege, (dang this list is long) etc… it doesn’t seem to matter. Whether in an intellectual way or not it doesn’t seem to matter. You people will always turn the tables and point the finger.

    Why not own up to the history of this country and where your ideas come from? Why not see if there is any truth at all to what she’s saying? Why not “read a text that challenges you without looking for reasons to dismiss it”? It’s simply because you’re comfortable with the state of things, because they work in your favor. Screw everyone else! This is your attitude and has been for hundreds of years. Yeah “White Boys” and “White Girls”, try listening and putting yourself in someone else’s shoes for once in your lives.

    Amazing piece Leda!

  427. S. Thompson on February 13th, 2019 11:24 am

    Give me a young black woman’s take on race over white boys presuming they are cognizant of her experience any day. And yes am white. BLM. Kudos young lady.

  428. Robert Baxter on February 13th, 2019 11:32 am

    I find the piece rather refreshing, because of the double standards that the responses to it show. Listen up folks…we live in a country where some people are ecstatic that the current president says whats on his mind. They are foaming at the mouth when he talks and makes sweeping generalizations about others. They don’t call it racist just speaking his mind. Yet when someone not “white” speaks their mind its racist. A majority of the people that are pissed are those that foam at the mouth when 45 spews his crap. If you can not take the heat get out of the kitchen folks. Simple enough to do one would think. GREAT piece LEDA, I hope to read more from you in the coming years. Grow up snowflakes!!

  429. Howard Gold on February 13th, 2019 11:34 am

    Whatever happened to Dr. Martin Luther King’s statement: “I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character”?

    Where have we gotten so horribly lost? This is beyond distressing.

  430. Fail on February 13th, 2019 11:35 am

    I am not surprised that certain individuals are still clinging to the maligned definition of racism as presented in the film Dear White People, as some type of semantic justification for their own racist belief systems. You made the claim that your definition is a “…widely accepted definition used across academic departments and activist space,” but that is only a half-truth in reference to the latter. I have never seen a single actual academic department endorse a particular definition of racism, especially one that exists to embolden the racist reprisals of embittered individuals. Your article was focusing on the wrong topics. You should have been posing the question, “Why are white-boys the only ones in class that care enough to help drive discussion?” Your voice will never be heard if you do not speak; also, using white-boys as some type of proxy-villain for your own shortcomings in academic discourse is also are great way to have most of your personal views regarded as invalid, especially when there is an overt degree of racial prejudice emanating from your words.

  431. Charlene R on February 13th, 2019 11:36 am

    Go, Leda, go!! It’s not just in college with white boys but in the professional world with white men. They think they own the place and have no interest in hearing any differently. Yes, they know more than the rest of us about everything. Is it ALL white men? No, of course not. But it is a pervasive quality of our culture that privileges white straight cis-gender US-born Christian men over everyone else? You betcha. What else explains the completely incompetent, narcissistic, corrupt white male getting elected over so many others who were so much more qualified?

    Speak your truth and don’t let the haters, especially those fragile white male snowflakes, shout you down. There are more of us with you than against you.

  432. R on February 13th, 2019 11:36 am

    “Something very few of them seem to understand is that their (ill-informed, uncritical) opinions do not constitute truth”. HILARIOUS. This perfectly describes liberals like the author who wrote it. They are the people living in bubbles in which all they hear is leftist indoctrination. They then parrot their leftist indoctrination and declare that merely having a speaker on campus who questions their indoctrination amounts to ‘denying their right to exist’.
    She also says that ‘white people can’t talk about the black experience’, yet academia and the media are full of black people who talk endlessly about the white experience. Also, notice that the ‘Believe women’ crowd is once again not believing women who accuse people deemed vital to Democrats. So the blck Virginia Lt Governor gets to keep his job even though two women have accused him of rape.

  433. Charles Howington on February 13th, 2019 11:40 am

    I want to thank Leda for her honesty and courage to speak out about the world that is a reality to her and many others. As one of those “white boys” in college 40+ years ago, i now am blessed with 40+ years of real life experiences working with all types of people, competing against all types of people, and being married to my wife for over 40 years. With age comes more acceptance of differences and makes you focus on the really important things in life including the belief that we are all children of God and we all have equal value in His eyes and those are the only eyes that matter.I hope and pray that we all can grow to understand that our rights and experiences end at the tip of our nose so please take time to reflect on how others lives and experiences are different but equal in value.

  434. G. Williams on February 13th, 2019 11:44 am

    Leda, you’ve conveniently altered the true definition of “racist” in your response to Yahoo News, in reaction to being called racist yourself against the “white boys” in your class who, annoyingly, had the audacity to discuss their views and ideas. Your definition of “racist,” Leda, is wrong. It’s not “racial prejudice…against racial minorities,” as you claim; its “showing or feeling discrimination or prejudice against people of other races.”

  435. Leonard R Paranac on February 13th, 2019 11:48 am

    40 years ago I was getting ready to graduate from college in May and i thought I knew everything. However when I entered the work force in the fall I found out quickly how much I did not know. When Leda graduates this spring
    she will experience the same the same thing I did and realize how foolish some of the things she did were as an undergraduate.

  436. Rachael on February 13th, 2019 11:58 am

    A more productive conversation would be a cultural discussion of why (or if) some voices are more privileged than others and/or if there are times that being outside of a cultural nullifies certain opinions.

    This would create a space for logical debate and dialogue.

    As is, this piece is incredibly sexist and discriminatory, doing exactly what the author derails others in her piece for doing. More over, it’s harmful to the real cultural situations where voices are silences for superficial or racist/sexist reasons.

    I’m not sure how it was helpful to publish this piece. other than perhaps to spark a conversation about all of our biases.

  437. Bryson on February 13th, 2019 12:03 pm

    A fellow Alum from Dickinson that I do business with on occasion just canceled a large donation to the school. Sadly more of this is to come. Only fighting racism one-way is a one-way ticket to not being a credible University. If you kick her out there will be some backlash, but in the end you will be supported for standing up for people of all race and gender.

  438. Cheryl G on February 13th, 2019 12:09 pm

    “The list of what white boys think they are qualified to talk about is endless.”

    I couldn’t agree with this sentiment, and the other frustrations aired by Ms. Fisher, more. To those persons making vitriolic comments: reverse what she wrote above to “The list of what [WOMEN] think they are qualified to talk about is endless.” How many of you would laugh derisively at this statement? If you did, forgive me, but I’m guessing you are male. Which means, you don’t value women’s thoughts, and you are exactly the type of person the author is talking about.

    Rather than attack Ms. Fisher and others like her who are trying to express their exasperation, take a breath, hear them out, and try to understand their viewpoint. Starting a flame war solves nothing. It just leaves the divide between us that much greater.

  439. Patricia Thompson on February 13th, 2019 12:19 pm

    “Fisher told Yahoo Lifestyle that her article raised issues that affect students of color. “As to the hate sent my way, it is no match for the support I have received,” she said. “[Regarding claims I am racist], I will share the widely accepted definition used across academic departments and activist space. Racism is composed of racial prejudice interpersonally and institutional bias against racial minorities. I do not hate white people, and no institution has ever built a system around disenfranchising or marginalizing white men, so I am not a racist.””

    You girl, are a RACIST. A White person cannot hide their hate behind a white sheet, NOR can Minorities hide their’s behind a “definition”.

  440. Kevin Young on February 13th, 2019 12:37 pm

    I’m a white male, and I get her point. Just think of it as “white mansplaining.”…

  441. Thomas Linzey on February 13th, 2019 12:48 pm

    This is an excellent piece – as a “white boy”, I understand exactly what she is saying here, and she is absolutely on target. I hope she writes more. This is about the institutions of white privilege programming the dominant culture to be its vehicles, sometimes knowingly and sometimes unknowingly. The “haters” on here need to look within themselves, as carriers and stop assuming that their white privilege doesn’t exist. I, too, am tired of hearing the “white boys” talk all the time – and after they graduate, most of them become lawyers, judges, and other “important” people, who don’t have the life experiences to understand what it’s like to be a person of color.

  442. Greg on February 13th, 2019 12:56 pm

    Congratulations on your insightful and well-written piece, Leda. Although I am a white male myself, I have repeatedly witnessed the same behaviors you describe. White males should not only recognize their privilege but resolve to listen more. Perhaps, as you say, they might actually learn something instead of just seeking their own intellectual validation.

  443. Alex on February 13th, 2019 1:00 pm

    Lena, GET IT GIRL. Not only do you have the right to say whatever you want to say, but white boys are incredibly annoying so way to put them on blast. I don’t know who told them their damn opinions were so important but I wish someone would tell them it’s enough now, we get it and it someone else’s turn with the talking stick. Which brings me to….

    Racism against white people or “reverse racism” is not a possibility. White people (and I’m speaking as a white woman) have never been marginalized nor has there ever been institutionalized barriers erected to keep them from succeeding. So no, she’s not racist.

    I mainly came here to show support for an author that wrote what many of us think and to let her know she’s got support out here.

  444. james on February 13th, 2019 1:02 pm

    Since you decided to use a fabricated definition of racism in responding to Yahoo Lifestyle, I will leave you with the Merriam-Webster definition.

    Definition of racism
    1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.

    Sounds like you fit the definition of a racist.

  445. Joachim Murrietta on February 13th, 2019 1:02 pm

    Very enlightening conversation, mostly well thought out, respectful and articulate replies by many. However, in my opinion most replies have failed to fully understand the real message & totally missed what the authors is clearly suggesting ” I encourage you to critically examine where your viewpoints come from, read a text that challenges you without looking for reasons to dismiss it, and maybe try listening from now on”

  446. Orange_Blonde on February 13th, 2019 1:08 pm

    I want people to be disallowed to talk based on their skincolor and gender. But it’s not racism because I am a black woman and the people not allowe to speak are white men.
    Are you f****ing kidding me?

    I’ll rewrite her op-ed.

    Should White Boys Still Be Allowed to Talk?

    Yes, they are aloowed to and always will be. Everyone has the right to talk.

    – The End

  447. Carsion on February 13th, 2019 1:11 pm

    I absolutely hope the school expels you for your idiotic racist attack. Can you imagine if a white male wrote a piece of trash asking if “black chicks” should be allowed to speak because frankly, they had grown tired of their opinions. This is nothing but racism. I hope you suffer the same fate a “white boy” would for doing something this ignorant and racist. But I bet you won’t. Because you have a special privilege that allows you to think this is ok and the school will prove that this privilege exists with their lack of action.

  448. Jesse Broome on February 13th, 2019 1:13 pm

    Leda, Want one more white Boy’s opinion? You have every right to say everything you said, after all this is America. Just don’t cry racism when some white guy shares his opinion on black women… As far as everyone being offended, I think its silly. This girl is obviously ignorant, and has proven to everyone that her opinion matters much less than all those she’s trying to silence. Im amused more than anything.

  449. Richard A. Brennan on February 13th, 2019 1:28 pm

    Leda,

    I can understand where this came from. I recall similar sentiments from my college days at a premier, mostly white college. My Black colleagues expressed similar sentiments in private. What is lost on many here is that this op-ed piece is an expression of frustration. I may be a white, anglo saxon protestant male, the largely castigated group to which you refer, but I have a different take. My son is Black (mixed background, but by many standards part Black often simply gets referred to as Black). He and I have an exceptional relationship as do I and his dark complected mother. Because of those life choices I am quite sensitive to such debates. What I see is the problem to which you refer is one that I often railed against. Too little “honest” intellectual discourse, and too much opinion being passed off as fact. My college mentor and esteemed intellectual, Dr. John T. McCartney (author of Black Power Ideologies), taught me the value in reading all possible original sources for facts. Then intellectually examining those facts through various lenses to create original intellectual discourse. My words of encouragement to you would be to collect arbitrary facts, collect others’ thoughts on those facts, then synthesize analyses from all of that material. You can change exactly what you rail against only through committed honest intellectual inquiry. It won’t be popular (as the masses don’t like to hear what they’ve done wrong). It won’t be easy. It is worth it.

  450. JB on February 13th, 2019 1:40 pm

    leda,

    Do you find it ironic that you’re stating how insignificant white mens opinions are but then making it completely obvious that you sit there listening and analyzing every word they say? Sitting at home with white boys taking up all the space in your head… Your opinion of us doesn’t carry any weight Leda. Remember this and just focus on making yourself better.

  451. Joseph R on February 13th, 2019 1:41 pm

    I’m hoping this note goes a different route. My question to Miss Fisher would be this. Do you think an article like this changes any minds? I get it, white men ON AVERAGE either have or believe they have a position in this country where their voice is the wisest. Basically “don’t worry minority or woman, I’ve thought this through”. But IF your idea is to change this, then berating white men (including myself) won’t work. And guess what, if you wish things to change you do need buy in from white men. Telling them to shut up won’t achieve that. Get specific, point by point refute idiotic beliefs, etc. Yes, it’s slow, painful, and aggravating, but in the long run this will overcome.

  452. Hank Mardukis on February 13th, 2019 1:44 pm

    Well written. Does Chrises=Chris’s?

  453. Patrick McCann on February 13th, 2019 1:53 pm

    Parents, there are only two things that move the needle with administrations on things like this. Donations and declines in enrollment, call the President, call the admissions office and let them know that our donations will now cease, and we will not send our sons to a school like Dickinson. As a father of a high school junior that was considering Dickinson, it wasn’t very hard to talk him out of it after we both read the opinion piece.

  454. not offended mom of white boys on February 13th, 2019 1:54 pm

    Wow, the hardest thing about this is all the reactions! It seems that most of them must be coming from young white college students. But you would still expect that they would have read Michelle Alexander, (the New Jim Crow) Robin Di’Angelo (White Fragility) and Shelly Tochluck (Witnessing Whiteness)to get the basics? I’m raising white boys and I am not offended at all, I’m really thankful for the points that Leda is bringing up and I’m aware of the responsibility of raising white children. Keep it up. White Supremacy is in all of us (the dominant narrative in our 1st world media, institutions, education, you can’t get away from it) and it needs to be challenged…constantly…Thank you Leda

  455. Martin Molloy '94 on February 13th, 2019 2:03 pm

    As an alum, I’m happy to see that Dickinson is still producing students that challenge the dominant paradigm of thought and express ideas that are contrary to popular thinking. One thing I learned at Dickinson in the 90s and I hope all previous and current students learn is to listen to the voices of their peers. Even when one may disagree with what is being said, listening to the perspective of someone living a different experience or seeing the world through a different perspective can only serve to make one a more reasoned critical thinker.

    Sometimes unpopular or previously marginalized ideas need to be expressed forcefully to be heard. I’m glad Ms. Fisher is studying in an environment that values the exchange of ideas. The attacks on this woman only serve to reinforce her points. Sometimes listening and considering the argument being made and looking for how it is reflected back at you by your community is the best course of action.

  456. Antwon Flores on February 13th, 2019 2:04 pm

    Miss Fisher – The fact that you have a different opinion – or experience – than someone else does not mean one of those opinions/experiences is invalid or wrong. Both could be right, but you seem to be too angry and resentful to consider such an idea. Life is not a “zero sum” game – one side does not have to “lose” something in order for the other side to “gain” something.

    It is not that those who speak up were taught that their voice is the most important in every room – it is simply that they were taught to engage, and that it was good to speak up when you felt you had something to say. What were you taught, I wonder, that engendered such resentment and anger?

    It might be better if you stopped attributing to malice or arrogance everything that comes from someone you have pre-judged as “privileged” simply because of their skin color. Every human being has a different story, and you might be surprised to learn that many of your classmates are struggling with things outside your experience, as you have struggled with things outside of theirs.

    I encourage you to set your anger aside, critically examine where your viewpoints come from, engage in an actual and honest discussion (without resentment or bitterness) with some of these individuals, and listen to what is said without pre-judgement. Don’t automatically assume the worst when hearing something you don’t agree with – look for other explanations before deciding.

    Where they are wrong in their assessments, do not shout or accuse – teach them gently. Lead by example. Show them, by your actions, that they are mistaken. You will be doing them – and yourself – a great service. And you might just learn something along the way.

  457. White Name on February 13th, 2019 2:21 pm

    Reading the comments, it’s hilarious to see the people defending you with their only argument being “minorities can’t be racist.” When you have to change the definition of racism so you don’t look racist….you’re probably insanely racist.

    If power + prejudice = racism, then heads up, you’re still racist… If a white person wrote this article on black women they would be expelled with enormous media outrage directed at them. But a black woman wrote it, so it’s alright….kinda seems like you’ve got the power in this, you absolute racist. If you can’t find the words to disagree with one of these ‘pompous white-boys’ ideas/arguments then *you* should stay quiet, instead of attacking the whole race due to your own insecurities. Everyone has the right to an opinion, shown by your idiotic one that remains active on this website, and everyone else also has the right to disagree with them and use their words to sway the other side. But you know those racists…if they don’t have an actual argument, they’ll just attack you for other things….like your skin color or sex *hint* *hint*.

  458. Usekhu on February 13th, 2019 2:48 pm

    Perfect. Truth hurts. But racism hurts more. Where is the outcry against all the forms of racism that exists, even in colleges, such as the curriculum, which is almost completely from a white male perspective?
    It would be helpful to understand racism exists when one group as a collective infringes upon the rights of another group as a collective. Just merely saying something is not an infringement, you have to do something to ensure what you say is carried out, and then you have to be part of a collective that can actually continuously make it happen. Racism is active and passive, direct and indirect. And so are the participants and the victims. It is not possible to be born into a racist society where you are a member of the disfavored group, and you not experience racism or be a victim of racism. Likewise it is not possible to be born a member of the favored group and accrue its benefits and you not be a participant in racism, i.e., a racist.
    It is not possible for Ms. Fisher to be a racist until she becomes part of the favored group who then goes along with the ways of a racist society and justifies the status quo, while, in many ways, claiming racism doesn’t exist and that, for the most part, the problems of the disfavored group, are of their own making.

  459. Timothy Van Pool on February 13th, 2019 2:55 pm

    Best part of this is she uses this statement to justify her and say she is not racist. “Racism is composed of racial prejudice interpersonally and institutional bias against racial minorities. I do not hate white people, and no institution has ever built a system around disenfranchising or marginalizing white men, so I am not a racist.” Umm, you are marginalizing white men. This is what the left and fools like you are doing. You say white people especially men should not speak about black issues well then you should not speak on white issues as you know nothing of our situation. This girl is a complete idiot and should be kicked out of the school. There is a petition for it too!

  460. John G.D. Beardsley on February 13th, 2019 2:58 pm

    Being dumb = lacking knowledge
    Being intelligent = possessing knowledge
    Being smart = using intelligence
    Being stupid = having knowledge but making a conscious decision not to use it

    It is up to the readers of Ms. Fisher’s opinion piece to make their own decision about which of the above fits the author.

  461. Bob on February 13th, 2019 3:41 pm

    I am 41. I’m white. I have listened to many people’s perspectives and opinions over my life time. Born and raised in half white half black area. We all have opinions. We all have a voice. Now, it’s your choice as it is mine to decide if I want to listen to you. The thing you can’t do is tell me to shut up when I want to talk. As an American I am entitled to my opinion. Now, it is just that, an opinion. And really, college is about learning what others have to say. Sorry that there are more white “boys” than other races at your school. By measure of the population, it’s most likely representative of the population.

    If we told you we didn’t want to hear you or to shut up because of your race and ideas, we would be called racist.

    Good Luck after graduation. There will most likely be lots of white boys running around spouting off their ideas.

  462. Megan Connelly on February 13th, 2019 3:56 pm

    Leda Fisher: The exact example of what is wrong with America today.

  463. D. C. W. on February 13th, 2019 4:01 pm

    I love this piece! Perfectly written! Leda you’re amazing!

  464. Spaulding on February 13th, 2019 4:02 pm

    Spaulding here…just another white boy so don’t even bother reading my white comments “Do you agree”?

  465. P’12 on February 13th, 2019 5:40 pm

    “Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.” Martin Luther King

    The way to make people heard who feel they have been crowded out, is not to silence the loud voice; you do that by allowing the other voices to be heard.

    I find your views offensive, bigoted, and naive, but you have the right to voice your perspectives. I feel sorry for you, and the Dickinson Development and Admissions offices, that will suffer because of your rant.
    /P

  466. Elisa Rosen on February 13th, 2019 5:55 pm

    It is just too easy to read an article that one doesn’t agree with and/or make knee-jerk reactions without really considering what the writer is trying to say.

    I’m sorry Leda is not allowed to be heard by the people who are only interested in condemning her.

    It is very important for white people, whether male or female, to hear and try to understand without “prejudice.”

    She is very brave to have spoken honestly knowing the vitriol that would inevitably come her way by voices online who are not afraid they will end of face to face with an actual person. Everyone should see The Niceties. Very apropos.

    Good luck Leda. You will need it.

  467. CAM AUJUARD on February 13th, 2019 5:57 pm

    THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT THIS PERSON…OR “GAL” IS RACIST TO HER INNER CORE. SCOUT WAVERLY AND ERIKA HVOLBECK ABOVE HAVE IT ALL TOO CORRECT IN THEIR ESSAYS / RESPONSES TO THIS ARTICLE THAT SOME “BLACK CHICK” WROTE. SHE SIMPLY DOESN’T GET IT, CAN’T GET IT AND WILL NEVER GET IT ALL DUE TO THAT “BLACK VOICE IN HER HEAD” THAT SAYS, ITS OK TO DISCRIMINATE AGAINST WHITE PEOPLE, LIKE AS IF BLACKS HAVE ALL THE DAM ANSWERS TO SOCIETIES PROBLEMS, INCLUDING RACISM. I’M SO GLAD THAT I WENT AND GRADUATED FROM A COLLEGE THAT WAS 95% WHITE. I WOULD HAVE “NEVER” IN A THOUSAND CENTURIES HAVE RECEIVED THE LEVEL OF EDUCATION AND HENCE MY 3.78 GPA PLUS 3 YEARS OF GRADUATE SCHOOL WITH A COMBINED GPA OF 3.85 IF I HAD ATTENDED A “BLACK” SCHOOL, TRADITIONALLY OR NOT (I WASN’T INTERESTED IN RAP STUDIES!). AND YES TO USE WHITE LIKE NAMES IS RACIST. JUST LIKE ERIKA STATED IF SHE WOULD HAVE WROTE THE SAME PIECE AND USED “BLACK” GHETTO-LIKE NAMES BLACKS WOULD BE OFFENDED…..AND THEY WOULD. THIS CHICK THINKS, BELIEVES AND CARRIES HERSELF THAT ITS OK TO REVERSE DISCRIMINATE AGAINST ANOTHER GROUP AND IT IS NOT OK. AS A MIXED RACE PERSON….HERE I GO….WHO IS HALF GENETICALLY WHITE AND ONE QUARTER GENETICALLY BLACK & NATIVE AMERICAN (MOHAWK TRIBE) I AM DEEPLY OFFENDED BY THIS CHICKS TALK OF WHITE MALES. MY MOTHER WAS WHITE AND DANISH WITH THAT. MY DAD (YES, I HAD TWO…NOT ONE PARENTS) WAS HALF INDIAN AND BLACK, AND I WILL NOT ANSWER TO “ANYONE” ESPECIALLY TO THIS CHICK OR OTHERS LIKE HER AND “TAKE SIDES” AS BLACKS HAVE BEEN RAISED TO DO SO…(THAT HAS BEEN THE “BLACK PROBLEM” FOR BLACK FOLKS SINCE JAMESTOWN VIRGINIA 1619!). STUDY YOUR DAM BIOLOGY MISSY AND YOU’LL SEE FOR YOURSELF HOW BIOLOGY WORKS. YOU SHOULD HAVE GONE TO HOWARD OR TUSKEGEE, ETC AND BECAME A RAPPER INSTEAD OF AN COLLEGE EDUCATED PERSON WHICH YOU ARE NOT IN ANY SUCH MANNER. YOU SHOULD JUST BURY YOUR HEAD DEEPER SINCE ITS ALREADY BURIED…..AND SIMPLY JUST GO AWAY. YOU DON’T REPRESENT HUMANITY, YOU REPRESENT, FOLLOW ME NOW OK ….. “HATE”.

  468. Michael Thomas on February 13th, 2019 6:21 pm

    I can kind of understand most people as reacting the way they do, but I think you are missing the point of the piece.

    First of all, her main point is not to call all white men stupid or corrupted, but to CHALLENGE *us* to get outside our bubble and LISTEN to very ‘DIFFERENT’ people – to really listen, to read what they wrote, to go to where they live, to listen to what the organizations that represent them have to say, and so on.

    The country is littered with educated idiots. I’ve been one of them. I grew up in a ‘liberal’ White middle-class Jewish household in suburban Cleveland and head things like ‘n—-r maid,’ ‘n—-r toes’ for Brazil nuts, ‘it’s fine we pay the (n—-r) maid 9$ per day because that’s what everyone else pays,’ and so on. I even heard phrases like ‘New York [i.e., loud, obnoxious] Jews’ – from my Jewish parents. And I never heard the word ‘Palestinian’ even muttered in public school or 6 years of ‘Hebrew school.’ Here in Portland, the lawns of 99% White wealthy neighborhoods are littered with ‘Black Lives Matter’ signs in a town where the Black community has gone through around 4 iterations of dispossession and removal by flood, ‘urban renewal,’ and gentrification. And I guarantee you the majority of those people did nothing to fight this, they just kept voting Democrat and buying their hybrid cars.

    ‘Luckily,’ my older brother had books on his shelf by people like James Baldwin, and on whole groups of young black men practically lynched because they were falsely accused by a white girl. Luckily, I encountered the books of Edward Said and other on the existence and experience of Palestinians. ‘Luckily,’ I saw the scars from police whips on the back of a Black South African friend, thus jarring me a bit more out of my bubble and getting me more deeply curious about racism and colonialism in southern Africa — and American cities and the countryside. ‘Luckily,’ I briefly talked with a woman of color here in Portland who reminded me that she and others were TORTURED by security forces at Standing Rock because they were physically protesting fossil fuel expansion. Luckily, I read books that informed me of US foreign policy actions that are never taught in most schools, like support for genocidal governments and counter-revolutions in Latin America, Mozambique, East Timor.

    She’s just challenging you to check more of your biases at the door and run your mouth less. Get over it. Perhaps she could have used some concrete examples instead of seeming to generalize. But white privilege and institutionalized racism are realities.

    With respect,
    MT

  469. Rulon Bravo on February 13th, 2019 6:57 pm

    As a privileged white guy who is used to deference, I can affirm that Leda tells it like it is. Please do not listen to the platitudes of the powerful as they try to put you back in your place. Instead, continue exposing the hypocrisy of our system and our culture, and do not be silenced. Thank you for what you wrote.

  470. Leigh on February 13th, 2019 7:10 pm

    Most of the comments I see here reek of white privilege and blindness to the effects of the institutions that the writer speaks of. Marginalized communities deal with the types of discrimination and maligned comments that many of the offended parties are complaining about, every day of their lives. She has valid points, but everyone nitpicks the generalizations because the ideas make you uncomfortable. Every single one of us is guilty of stereotyping and generalizing, but it is often how one makes a point. Doubtless, the author doesn’t actually believe that every single white male in America is like this. She is trying to make herself heard. Instead of becoming indignant and offended, take a moment to look at yourself and see, whether you are male or female, how you could be proving her point. Also remember, this is her opinion, just as yours is your own, and both hold weight. The differences between what you are labeling racist, and the points that she is bringing up are as follows: she is expressing a very real truth that affects the lives of millions of people across the country every day. The inability of many people of color to overcome systemic racism and get a decent education, a well-paid job, and true equality is common because the people who have the power to change it are privileged products of said system, and thus, not as aware of their role in perpetuating the issue (and/or likely afraid of losing their privilege). Her complaining about the privilege of white males does nothing to them. They will still get better jobs, and more money, and their words are still more respected, and they will continue to be coddled and built up to believe they are more deserving of everything, which is a reason that white people screaming “racism” is cringe worthy. I am a privileged white woman with a white son, and yet, I can see an awful lot of value in what this young woman has to say. It isn’t a reflection on your parenting, if that’s what you are taking offense to. It isn’t an individual attack. It is merely a truth of the society that we all live in.

  471. Eric Means on February 13th, 2019 7:15 pm

    I share the same sentiment that spurred this young lady to write this article.

    I am tired too, I am tired of hearing loud, obnoxious, incognizant opinions passed off by moral high ground wannabees who think social media is a communication tool.

    It’s time that those of us who truly care about our fellow human beings stop accepting this and speak out but not in anger or with sharp pointed words designed to hurt those we call “other”.

    To be seen as human, you must act human. When you dehumanize another human by race, or sex you entrench the negative mindset and guarantee negative response.

    Publishing this article may have brought a smile to Leda Fishers wonderful face. She may have felt like she said what needed to be said and perhaps laughed to see the reaction it has caused even to the point of claiming a small victory. To her I say with the benefit of wisdom earned by my many years on this planet, beware because what you thought was ambrosia was really poison I urge you to turn your talents to efforts that unify before that poison your drinking creates an unfortunate circumstance.

    That being said college is the place to have opinions and discuss those out loud, have heated discussions, hear what those from different backgrounds and perspectives have to say about your opinions and accept your lumps when your wrongheaded and move past modifying your perspective. The most important word is HEAR. Asking a white man not to speak is to rob not only him but yourself and others of that most basic and surprisingly wonderful experience that collage can provide.

    If you close your ears to what the white male is saying just because he is white and male that sets a dangerous path and what happens if the white male decides to do the same to you? Who will suffer more? I urge you to move past your obvious bias, and anger. Engage! have a one on one conversation with a white male today, don’t discuss politics, or black experience, or privilege that’s too much first just connect as human to human. Talk about family, friends, favorite food, favorite book, author, artist, and constellation, nothing more continuous than cake or pie which is better? (Cake obviously).

    Leda I value your opinion, I don’t value the way you express that opinion. It is wrong headed and shameful.

    From a White Male,
    Eric

  472. chad alex on February 13th, 2019 7:28 pm

    I understand you completely. I’m sorry, the old “you cant possibly understand me because I’m a black woman” just doesn’t hold water today. You haven’t been wronged and your “pain” is self induced. Perhaps the problem is you see the truth in what they talk about. It bothers you. Perhaps with equality comes the realization that your shortcomings and life’s problems are not due to your race or sex.

  473. Dson Alum on February 13th, 2019 7:54 pm

    The Dickinson College I attended years ago taught its students to be problem solvers. Leda’s poorly written Op Ed solves nothing. Sadly, it only deepens the divide.

  474. Erik Archer on February 13th, 2019 8:53 pm

    Completely and utterly racist. The only glimmer of hope in this world are the comments identifying this racist article as the garbage it is. As an adopted Asian, I guess I’m still allowed to talk, according to the article. So, let me do some talking and tell this Leda that being a minority is not an excuse to spout racist propaganda. Imagine the backlash if this was about black people. Just imagine. Leda would probably be sending death threats the way of the author. Society has to speak up and condemn the actions of such disgusting people.

  475. Tyler on February 13th, 2019 9:49 pm

    Just out of curiosity, when the author decided to go to a school that was over 70% white, did she not expect any of them to voice their opinions? I think college is about learning, from the material and the experience of others. That’s a two way street, however. You can’t tell someone else to shut up and then turn around and expect them to listen to you, especially after you’ve grouped everyone white male into a single category.

  476. EAG on February 13th, 2019 10:33 pm

    Leda – Thank you for your courage in naming the (white male) elephant in the room. I spent my school career in classrooms where white boys were called on before everyone else, I have sat in meetings where white men were given the floor before and longer than others. Same test paper, lower grades. Same job, lower pay. BETTER ideas, no credit. Your words do strike a nerve because what you say is true. Thank you for your courage.

  477. Bailey Kirkpatrick on February 13th, 2019 10:34 pm

    I disapprove of what you say – and frankly think it quite ignorant and daft – but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

    ‘14 Dickinson Alumn

  478. Ignatius J. Reilly on February 13th, 2019 10:50 pm

    Bravo Ms. Fisher for you have provided my entertainment for today. If it hadn’t been for this article, I would never have seen your Goodwill ambassador page, and would never had learned that colleges now offer courses in “Fat Studies”. Kudos to you President Ensign and Professor Farrell, keep up the good work- if it weren’t for the liberal intelligentsia such as yourselves, we wouldn’t have ever discovered, for instance, the fact that icebergs are sexist. As far as job prospects for a liberal arts major in Gender and Fat Studies – don’t listen to any of the naysayers from the above articles – If Sarah Jeong can work for the New York Times, then – by god – you can too! And if all else fails, there’s always the Huffington Post, Vox, Esquire, Newsweek, Daily Beast, CNN, Salon, etc etc – the opportunities are endless!

  479. Brad Hughes on February 14th, 2019 12:16 am

    An opinion piece written in The Dickinsonian doesn’t change my calculus with the college. But, long gone are the days of the underground “Drinkinsonian.” Hook ‘Em, Brad Hughe ‘90

  480. A Woman on February 14th, 2019 12:26 am

    This article is not racist. The very fact that some white people here are outraged by Leda’s voice illuminates the fact that white male voices dominate the American narrative, and white people would rather be defensive than reflective when confronted with a black woman speaking her mind about being oppressed and denied a voice. The comments of white people daring to claim that Leda is racist shows white fragility. If you’re offended by Leda, it’s because you’re uncomfortable when minorites dare to speak about their experience being disenfranchised in a society that has promoted white male supremacy for decades.

  481. Steve Asbestos on February 14th, 2019 12:33 am

    I enjoyed the article. I am a 57 year old white guy. Leda expresses an important idea worth hearing. Growing up, watching television, the astronauts were all white men, as all the presidents, the judges, the doctors, the lawyers, and black people were servants, or athletes or musicians or singers. My school had a small number of black and brown kids, and they were largely ignored and marginalized, and we were all okay with it because – we just assumed that this was the natural order of things. We were born on proverbial 3rd base and thought we hit home runs. I am embarrassed at how late in my life am I able to see how rude and frankly infantile folks are, in large measure, who look like me, and I look back at things I have said or laughed at, and I wince. In shame. It appears to me that Leda sees a large number of white guys acting like a Will Ferrel impression of George W. Bush – the embodiment of unearned self confidence. And … speaking this truth has driven the white, right wing nuts apoplectic with anger. Same with Kap kneeling. There is this childish hissy fit of white rage and tantrums at the idea of respectful and peaceful public protest of obvious racial injustice. I have family members I cannot even reason with about this. They cry about the disrespect to the military and the police- as if there are no black people in the military and in law enforcement. Leda struck a nerve. And she told the truth. I think she deserves credit, not condemnation. So … my fellow white folks, my suggestion: wag more, bark less and hey – maybe we know a whole hellavu lot less than we think we do and maybe, just maybe, if we listen a bit more, talk a bit less, show some respect for differences, we’d all be better off. And Leda: much love and respect. I can only guess and imagine what it must be like, as a young black person, to listen to entitled and ignorant young people who look like me spout off as know it alls and horses’ asses. Bigotry is a powerful drug. I appreciate you taking a stab at an intervention, of sorts. Best Regards, S

  482. GREG HARPER on February 14th, 2019 12:40 am

    I understand the author’s pain. My brothers and I always felt it unfair that we had to get on the bus and go across town to integrate the schools in San Bernardino while white students did not have to reciprocate. I was in an advance placement class where we had to keep diaries. I was the only black student out of 20. After a few months the teacher told us to stop keeping the diaries. She pulled me aside and told me what were in most of them. Most of my class mates hated me. All I did was work hard. Junior high school was hard as you could work as hard as you could but all you could earn was a “C” for colored is what we called it. Ironically, I was elected student body vice president in a school where we were known for race riots. College was real lonely. Black students all ate together. I tried to eat with white students but I was made to feel very unwelcome. I was MVP of the football team that didn’t lose a conference game my 4 years but when I didn’t play my senior year to concentrate on academics they tried to expel me graduation week on trumped up charges made by a white guy who to this day has not changed. Please note, the school hired a coach who was known to use racist language to motivate his team. My team mates did not appear to like him because of that. They were white. I have a very good friend from a wealthy family in Alabama who did not have a clue about racial relations until he spent a week with my family in the “hood”. He and other class mates refuse to participate with the school 40 years later. Even with all of this the 1st amendment must be protected. Most of the negative comments reek of white privilege. They are to be tolerated just like any speech. It’s not fair to lump all people together. Many white people I have encountered do not feel they need to know anything about anyone else. It’s their loss and Americas loss. Based on the responses Dickinson like many colleges has some work to do with current and former students if it wants to improve race relations. By the look of the comments I wouldn’t go to Dickinson or associate with many but not all of the alumni. It looks like the author had some tough painful years. I think it hurts some people to be generalized and marginalized. Welcome to to world of people of color.

  483. C. Cole on February 14th, 2019 12:55 am

    The commentors have proven her point. Welcome to our world, White People. It doesn’t feel so good does it? And the comments that include, “well, what if I said this…” –YOU DO and you get away with it, which makes articles like this necessary.

  484. Thank you on February 14th, 2019 1:26 am

    Great article. Nice of the commenters to prove your point. (Or at least the ones I read–they weren’t worth listening to).

    Keep it up! You are off to great things!

  485. Uncommon Sense on February 14th, 2019 6:35 am

    This is the face of the new left. Vote Republican.

  486. Michael DeLeo on February 14th, 2019 8:06 am

    Wrong. the correct answer is, you ARE a racist. You don’t need to over complicate your answer with a bunch of academic nonsense. You don’t like white people because they’re white. you’re a Racist, it’s not that complicated. The term ‘White boys’ is a derogatory, racial slur, it’s the same as calling somone the Nword. She uses this racial slur liberally throughout the entire article, even using it in her headline. She can try and pretend she’s not a racist, but that’s just a cop-out. The correct answer is, of course she is, don’t be silly. at least have the grapes to admit it tho. I know there is a new wave of ‘Progressive racism’ and ‘progressive sexism’ that tries to justify their own hate and intolerance towards others, but you don’t solve the issues of racism by piling more racism on top of it.

  487. Eric Wolf on February 14th, 2019 8:25 am

    What a lovely editorial. Ms Fisher thank you for sharing your experience with all these dense white people. It’s a pity they seem unwilling to actually hear it. It’s almost as if you could have predicted this behavior and written an editorial on it. As white boy I really appreciate your willingness to share with us and I unlike some of my peers remember how idiotic I was in collage. I am pretty sure that I talked too much and listened even less.

    Your words ring true because that was me – maybe sometimes – I still am that boy. I was a good kid who repeated so much bullshit. Sometimes I said things right to other peoples faces. I am pretty sure that this brilliant piece of writing has cost you something and I want you to know that I (as a white boy) thank you. Hopefully somewhere one white boy in one of your classes was able to shut up for minute.

    All the best

    Eric Wolf
    Black Mountain, NC

  488. Kevin Gray on February 14th, 2019 8:45 am

    It’s sad that the writer doesn’t have the self insight to recognize that as she shares her opinion, and it is welcomed, her opinion is literally that others should stop sharing theirs. In defense of not being racist she then points out that the technical definition includes being against a racial minority, congratulations, you are predjudiced instead of racist, is that really something to be proud of? I am very curious how her opinion which she seems to take as truth is any different the opinions she is currently admonishing in vast far reaching generalizations. I guess this would be her 15 minutes of fame.

  489. Kev on February 14th, 2019 8:54 am

    And Leda – I saw your response and your claim that “I’m not a racist because….” – nah, sorry, you’re racist as all get out. You don’t get to play by a separate set of rules because you’re a female minority. Aside, how marginalized are you really if you’re going to an expensive school like that?

    You’ve been completely brainwashed. And worse, you paid them to do this to you.

    Pathetic

  490. Dee E on February 14th, 2019 9:03 am

    LOVE this article. YES. Thank you, Leda, for giving a voice to the sentiments Black, college educated folks, especially women. The sad thing is, it doesn’t stop at undergrad. Thheir entitled, know-it-all mentality continues into grad school, the workplace, and the retirement village. I give a mental whenever they deign to speak about…. mostly anything. This isn’t to say their input isn’t valuable. However, when they assume a role of authority simply based on their white maleness, I take issue.

    Thank you.

  491. Abe Lincoln on February 14th, 2019 9:16 am

    I like it because it displays what some black folks are thinking.

  492. YouAreNowBreathingManually on February 14th, 2019 9:46 am

    Liberal arts schools get tax money stolen from working white people to indoctrinate their own children to hate themselves for being white. The white kids gotta pay for the honor of being brainwashed though, the brown kids get to go for free with grants from those same tax dollars.

    Gotta hand it to them, it’s a pretty insidious plan.

  493. SARA MCDANIEL on February 14th, 2019 10:19 am

    She is definitely racist and a sexist. Telling anyone they aren’t allowed to speak because of their skin color or the gender is disgusting to say the least. After reading this garbage I have come to the conclusion that the write has a serious case of insecurity, to which she has brought on herself. If only the white boys had bowed to her every whim. That’s really what she wanted. To be seen as a queen.

  494. Wayne on February 14th, 2019 10:56 am

    prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one’s own race is superior.

    Racism.

  495. Michael on February 14th, 2019 11:33 am

    I am a 41 year old white male alumnus and I still cringe at the recollection of some of the idiotic, ignorant, and/or ill-informed opinions I spouted in Dickinson seminar rooms – a good deal of which may have been off-putting if not downright insulting to my non-white and non-male classmates, regardless of my benign intentions (and maybe because of my benign intentions..) The College promotes an environment of intellectual curiosity, open idea exchange, and questing for truth. It’s a beautiful thing, but not without its downsides, chief among them that when it’s a population of 18-22 year old developing minds undertaking that exploration, there are bound to be lots of dry wells drilled – and not infrequently out loud in the classroom. Not all dumb opinions are offensive, but blithely presuming to know the experience of others of different races or gender (of which I was surely guilty) usually is. Underneath all her inflammatory rhetoric, Leda makes a simple and fair request for improving that idea exchange and reducing the instances of classroom discourse injuring marginalized people: listen before you talk. I hope that message doesn’t get lost in the vitriol because it also happens to be the very best piece of advice one could give a college graduate – whether white boy or anyone else – seeking to succeed in the real world.

  496. Mike on February 14th, 2019 11:49 am

    This is amazing. I’d venture a guess that most of the angry folks leaving comments are white so of course you all think she is racist. You all completely missed her point and are actually proving her point. Take a step down from your soapbox, then reach down, grab yourselves by the ears and pull your heads out. Please, everyone, Leda needs you to whitesplain what is racist and what isn’t racist because us white folks know racism almost better than anyone, ever, because we are all very stable geniuses. That’s why we let a bunch of old white men debate whether or not a woman should have a say in what she chooses to do with her body and acting like we “know better” than any woman because, dammit, us white men know what is best for everyone & anyone.

  497. J Block on February 14th, 2019 12:04 pm

    Leda Fisher is an overt racist. The flagrant use of “white boys” clearly indicates her intent and demeanor. If you can replace the terms in question with ANY OTHER term of race, religion or indicator and it retains a bigoted tone then the piece fails to have any merit other than being a racist rant. In this case, the substitution test clearly shows Fisher’s bias and racist writing. Dickinson must take steps to censure Fisher, if not expel her for this clear hate speech.

  498. Betsy Richardson on February 14th, 2019 12:42 pm

    You’ve clearly struck a nerve here. Kudos to the writer’s bravery in getting the dialog going. Your readers might want to read “I’m Still Here: Black Dignity in a World Made for Whiteness.” Black women can’t hold the anger and incredulity in forever. You might also want to read “Raising White Kids” by Jennifer Harvey. I would not suggest letting the white boys you mention off the hook but it’s likely their upbringing did not include discussions about race like their black and brown peers. Keep up the dialog, dialog, dialog and I hope your readers don’t forget that listening is the important side of that.

  499. Al on February 14th, 2019 1:29 pm

    This subject actually harks on a larger issue which is this idea that everyone is special. Kids are told their opinion matters, regardless of a lack of expertise in said subject. We see it with our media intake, where our Journalists now provide their opinions, not their job of reporting on the days events. While personally I do not see this as a White or Black issue, but more of a social economic issue. Many people who are raised with means, at least in my experiences which includes being the broke kid at a Private HS, think their opinion matters. Their parents continue this false narrative, which hurts the kids and the people who have to deal with said kids. As a kid who came from a working class family, many of the rich kids I came in contact with, thought their voices mattered. They don’t, and if you think your voice matters, I can find you a list of more qualified people who can provide an opinion that matters… Just saying…

  500. Frank on February 14th, 2019 1:37 pm

    I’m a white guy, too old to be called a boy anymore. I’m saddened to read this article but I’ll always teach my kids to value people of other races, to treat them with dignity and to hear their stories and help them as they would want to be helped. I can feel the anger and pain of the author. But when I look at what set this in motion, I can hardly blame her. I know this will ruffle feathers and some will call me an apologist, a virtue signaler. I can only say, perhaps one day when she reads this, she’ll know there is someone out there in the world who isn’t going to stop caring about her, or the people under fire in her writing. I’m not going to let the polarizing forces and misunderstanding affect the way I treat others. It is a beautiful day. Being alive, breathing, it is a gift. And people out there reading this, you are a gift too.

    “We are all called to be ‘Tikkun Olam,’ repairers of creation. Thank you for whatever you do . . . to bring joy and light and hope and faith and pardon and love to your neighbor and yourself.” – Fred Rogers

  501. Frank on February 14th, 2019 1:40 pm

    “We are all called to be ‘Tikkun Olam,’ repairers of creation,”. Thank you for whatever you do . . . to bring joy and light and hope and faith and pardon and love to your neighbor and yourself.” – Fred Rogers

  502. Chad on February 14th, 2019 2:02 pm

    White man bad

  503. erika on February 14th, 2019 2:05 pm

    Hey, everyone who made a comment here? you missed the point of her oped. there is no such thing as ‘reverse racism’

    check your privilege before you speak, that is what she is trying to say.

  504. Wang Hong on February 14th, 2019 3:36 pm

    People need to finally come to terms with the fact that Abraham Lincoln was right, African Americans will never properly integrate into American society and they should have been repatriated after the war ended.

  505. Devin on February 14th, 2019 3:38 pm

    I’ll take blatant racism and sexism for 200, Alex.

  506. Deborah on February 14th, 2019 4:37 pm

    I will add my voice to the many in this comments section who consider this article absurd. And I am not a white boy.

    –>”When you ask a question at a lecture, is it secretly just your opinion ending with the phrase “do you agree?” If so, your name is something like Jake, or Chad, or Alex, and you were taught that your voice is the most important in every room.”

    Unsubstantiated, racial stereotyping.

    –> “Somewhere along your academic journey, you decided your search for intellectual validation was more important than the actual exchange of information. Now how do you expect to actually learn anything?”

    Unsubstantiated, racial stereotyping. Notice the author’s inherent assumption that her perspective is valid.

    –> “American society tells men, but especially white men, that their opinions have merit and that their voice is valuable, but after four years of listening to white boys in college, I am not so convinced.”

    Wow! After 4 years of listening to white boys (all of them?) in one college, we can confidently conclude that…!

    –> “In my time at Dickinson I have listened to probably hundreds of white boys talk. It feels incessant.”

    Top quality scientific research.

    –> “From classes and lectures, to the news and politics, there is an endless line of white boys waiting to share their opinions on the state of feminism in America, whether the LGBTQ+ population finally has enough rights, the merits of capitalism, etc.”

    The only things white boys discuss, of course. The irony of dissecting the speech of white boys (again, I ask: all of them?) whilst making bold proclamations about white boys is, well, lost on this author.

    –> “The list of what white boys think they are qualified to talk about is endless.”

    Ah yes, the point of life is to find out what you are qualified to talk about.

    –> “Something very few of them seem to understand is that their (ill-informed, uncritical) opinions do not constitute truth.”

    Truth as defined by this author. No examples given, of course, since we don’t need to listen to white boys talk. Critical thinking, debate, respectful disagreement, and all that.

    –>”In fact, most often their opinions aren’t even original.”

    Precisely calculated, confidently concluded.

    –> “White boys spout the narrative of dominant ideologies and pretend they’re hot takes instead of the same misleading garbage shoved down our throats by American institutions from birth.”

    Specious, vague accusations. The author pretends to know the thought processes of those whose opinions she considers ill-informed, without proving this through substantive case studies.

    –> “I am so g****mned tired of listening to white boys.”

    For all the specious and vague reasons given above!

    –> “I cannot describe to you how frustrating it is to be forced to listen to a white boy explain his take on the Black experience in the Obama-era.”

    You were banned from replying?

    –> “Hey Brian, I’m an actual Black woman alive right now with a brain.”

    So am I. Which is why I don’t classify people’s opinions according to their ethnicity, nor demand total understanding from everyone different to me whilst demonstrating none myself, nor making sanctimonious and unsubstantiated accusations to diminish the weight of opinions I dislike.

    –> “In what world would your understanding of my life carry more weight than my understanding?”

    Is that what Brian said? Again, were you prevented from speaking? Because your article here sounds like you can say what you like, even if no one else would be allowed to say it (and still have a reputation).

    –> “Unfortunately, it is this world, where white men debate the pain of other people for fun and then take away their rights.”

    White men also steal candy from babies and take away their strollers. Also, white men never suffer any pain.

    –> “The second thing most white boys seem not to understand is that they do not exist separate from the rest of the world.”

    Most white boys… at Dickinson College? Or everywhere else? I am getting confused. Could I see some quotations?

    –> “You do not speak alone, you speak with the weight of every other white man who has spoken over a woman, erased the contributions of queer people from history, or denigrated “broken English” as unintelligent.”

    This is entirely the author’s own perception.

    –> “You speak with the weight of policies and laws meant to forever define intelligence by how it measures up to the bros of America.”

    What does this even mean?

    –> “So, should white boys still be allowed to share their “opinions”? Should we be forced to listen?”

    The author has not demonstrated how it is precisely that she is forced to listen to white boys, when she is writing an article giving her own opinion. I am also curious at the use of quotation marks around opinions, since the opposite of an opinion is a fact, is it not? Was this an error on the author’s part? Also, when she says “Should we be forced to listen?”, is she speaking with the weight of those who assume the worst of white males whilst assuming the best of themselves simply based on experience?

    –> “In honor of Black History Month, I’m gonna go with a hell no.”

    Great, we can forget about white people who fought against anti-black racism, then.

    –> “Go find someone whose perspective has been buried or ignored and listen to them, raise up their voice.”

    Er… what if they were bullied or ignored by black women? Or Muslim men? Or Hispanic Mexicans?

    –> “To all the Chrises, Ryans, Olivers, and Seans out there…”

    Out where? Dickinson? Do all white boys go to Dickinson?

    –> “I encourage you to critically examine where your viewpoints come from…”

    Obviously, as university students, they weren’t doing this.

    –> “…read a text that challenges you without looking for reasons to dismiss it…”

    Again, the whole university thing…

    –> “…and maybe try listening from now on.”

    Or Leda: you could drop your sanctimony and stop pathologising the views of white men simply on account of discrimination you have faced. The more convinced you sound of your own inherent righteousness, the more hypocritical your words become. If any white man is preventing you from speaking (the writing of this article would suggest otherwise), then please identify him or them, and I will gladly support your right to be heard. If you are suffering any discrimination at this college, again: I am on your side. What I do not accept is this pathological “analysis” of an entire ethnic group with statements that could never be objectively proven. It would be absurd and racist in the other direction, as many others have pointed out.

  507. Christopher Cole on February 14th, 2019 4:53 pm

    “Should White Boys Still Be Allowed to Talk?” – Yes. It’s their constitutional right – just as it is the right of any bigoted angry opinionated hater to express their own foolish ideas. When those who identify with a minority try to silence those in some despised and imagined majority – they only suffer loss and hurt in the outcome. Silence wielded against one – can be used against all. Yeah… someone found their (hateful) voice. Find out where hateful voices can lead us. Go google Rwandan Genocide. THAT horror came from the politics of division and class/racial hatred. Learn the lesson – and then stop the division and hate. BTW =-they aren’t “boys” – but young men. Be careful of one’s own perjorative words – young woman.

  508. Kristine Medina on February 14th, 2019 9:24 pm

    Leda,

    As a Latina in South Texas, I applauded your article for speaking the truth. I, myself, am raising two, strong daughters, who I teach to breathe fire against such “lessons”. I recently read that men explain things to women, versus speaking to us. I am so exhausted by this truth. I am not a sexist. I am however, raising my children, son included, to celebrate the power of knowledge. I encourage empirical data versus opinions.

    My daughter, who writes for her high school paper introduced me to this article. Please let me know how I can help encourage your fire and passion. I read that someone would no longer contribute to your school. Please let me know where to send you a check to continue kicking ass with such confidence. Your beauty of spirit, and strength of mind, is admirable.

    Aim for the nuts!

    Yours truly,
    Kristine Medina

  509. Becca Trinks on February 15th, 2019 5:55 am

    Brava! You obviously already know this, but every single comment claiming this is racism comes from a place of ignorance and privilege. Don’t let them get under your skin. You rocked this, and it’s a perspective that needs to be heard, and repeated until the knee-jerk reactions of white fragility become a trickle, instead of a flood. So, keep it coming! You have a bright future ahead of you. Don’t let anyone silence that beautiful voice.

  510. Jackson Geisel on February 15th, 2019 10:25 am

    This article just simply isn’t true. I am a white male and I rarely ever voice my opinions. I am also not a rich racist republican like most people think white males are. I am not racist or homophobic. This article is just such bullshit.

  511. Chad, Alex and Taquisha on February 15th, 2019 10:37 am

    WOW What a waste of scholarship money! Leda clearly gained nothing from attending college. She is obviously a closed minded bigot with poor writing skills. Should really reevaluate the recipient selection process!
    Clearly there was little to work with as her mother is obviously raising racist activists. She’s the only one quoting those vial websites. Doubt any Dickinson students read that crap

  512. Leda and the Swan on February 15th, 2019 12:50 pm

    I honestly suspect that the White kids in Leda’s class are pretty “cool” or “woke” or whatever the term is: as a successful White man, I don’t give a crap about the “black experience.” Blacks are a failed race that, unfortunately, cannot compete in the modern world. The most advanced inventions of black Africa are…what? A stick to catch termites? I’m honestly blanking. There is no black scientist or inventor or philosopher of any serious note. None. A few words about Whites, meanwhile: Newton; Leonardo; Graham Bell; Imhotep; Darwin; Archimedes; Fermi (how we doin’, Leeds?).

    She used the pejorative, “[W]hite boys,” which is clearly meant as a racial slur. I will refer to her in archaic, but certainly not “racist” terms: she is a quadroon or octaroon. She is not black (or “Black” as she prefers): she is a mixed race person who is clearly significantly less than half-black. Again, she’s not really black. She enjoyed the benefits of her White heritage, and certainly profited from Jewish Privilege, but can claim the protected status of being “black” because perhaps one grandparent was a light-skinned black. She’s mostly White, I’m ashamed to say.

    It seems to me that these a-little-but-not-really-black ANGRY “BLACKS” are often the most racist and hateful of all the whiny minorities out there. She’s Rachel Dolezal with a tiny bit of actual African heritage.

  513. Han Solo on February 15th, 2019 2:22 pm

    Wow. The ignorance and hatred run strong in this one. Leta, stay in school. You’ll never survive in the real world. In the real world we fight to get ahead, we build friendships, community and relationships with people out of mutual respect and decency. Stuff that makes societies work. You are just full of ignorance (which shows off your immaturity) and stupidity.

  514. Rob Reece on February 15th, 2019 2:24 pm

    Is the author a member of the black KKK? Sure sounds like it. And talk about ignorant and hypocritical? You speak against American institutions while being in one. You are the definition of intolerant.

  515. P’12 on February 15th, 2019 2:44 pm

    To Ms. Kolbowski: Um, what?

  516. Ken Dau-Schmidt on February 15th, 2019 3:31 pm

    Dear Leda,

    You are probably smart enough to realize you have made an enormous mistake in publishing this opinion piece.

    As with anytime I see a young person make a really stupid mistake, the Dad in me says “this is a teachable moment.”

    It may not satisfy your detractors, but it may help you heal your own fractured spirit if you were to summon up the courage to apologize for your mistake. Such an apology might go as follows:

    “Dear White Men and all who care about White Men or the general project of racial and gender equality,
    I am genuinely sorry for my stupid, racist, sexist and insensitive remarks. Although I thought I was standing up for oppressed people, I realize now that you cannot fight racism and sexism by invoking racism and sexism. I was sadly mislead by the project of identity politics which I realize now is a rabbit hole of further divisions and recriminations leading to yet more sexism and racism. If I had listened to you before, perhaps I would not have written such a ridiculous opinion piece. I do truly repent my prior actions and beliefs and now actively embrace the project of integration that is the only true way for the genders and races to get along in equality and harmony. Instead of telling you to be quiet, I now want to embrace you as my equals and I want to hear your thoughts and concerns on all issues. I trust that if I listen to you and work with you as equals that you will also listen to me and work with me as an equal. I look forward to working with you and listening to you if you will find it in your hearts to forgive me. I am very sorry for my stupid words and any hurt they may have caused. Sincerely, Leda”

    As I said, not all of your detractors will forgive you, but after the hurt fades, some will. And besides this is the only way to really begin to make amends for your harms and start to feel better about yourself.

    Sincerely,

    Ken Dau-Schmidt

  517. Ella on February 15th, 2019 3:43 pm

    what is wrong with you? racist. i am ashamed to call myself a woman after reading this, utterly disgusting. i am speechless.

  518. Privileged White Male on February 15th, 2019 3:58 pm

    Jackhadlex the ignorant opinions displayed here is what you would call racist bigotry from a over privileged black woman do you agree?

  519. Felix Cuvreau on February 15th, 2019 4:33 pm

    My son’s name is Ian and I am offended by this papers name. It needs to be changed. it is vulgar and disgusting!

  520. Miguel on February 15th, 2019 7:20 pm

    Behold the comment by Becca Trinks, a self proclaimed “intersectional feminist.” She doubles down on the bigotry of the original article and claims that any criticism is due to “white fragility”.

    For those smart people reading this, two things should become apparent: 1) 3rd wave feminists and intersectionalists don’t rely on logic, rather they build their arguments on make believe concepts and 2) feminism and intersectionality work to build distrust between different groups and the destroy the beauty that men and women can create together.

  521. Miguel on February 15th, 2019 7:24 pm

    Behold the comments above by feminist Kristine Medina. She signs off her comment by saying “Kick them in the nuts!”

    Let’s perform a test to see how hateful this strain of feminism is and reverses the sexes. What would it look like for a commenter to sign off with “kick them in the vagina!” or “punch them in the boobs!”?

    This is the hypocrisy and hate of feminism on display for everyone to see.

  522. Matt on February 16th, 2019 12:39 am

    Leda,

    I will try to give you a different perspective, although I doubt you will read this since your mind appears closed.

    I was raised by a single mother. My father was/is an alcoholic and drug addict who abandoned us. My mother scraped by. We were on food stamps for a while, and I lived in government subsidized housing while in high school. I attended public schools in New Orleans that were poorly funded and the majority of the student population was African American. My high school didn’t send a lot of students to college, and no one in my family had a college degree. I had the experience of overt racist attacks against me, including being shoved, kicked, and spit on by other students because of the color of my skin.

    After I failed my freshman year of high school, I started working my ass off. I dug myself out of the hole I put myself in and managed to get into college, where I worked my ass off even harder. Nothing was handed to me. In fact, there were numerous scholarships that I was ineligible for because I am a white male. I have a good job now, but I worked hard, very hard, to get it. Employers in my field make special efforts to hire women and minorities because white males are over-represented, There are no special efforts made to hire white men.

    Now I am told that I have white privilege and that I am somehow part of a group of powerful oppressors when I have done nothing of the sort. I’ve heard blatant sexist and racist comments, such as the ones in your article. These hateful comments are somehow acceptable as long as they are directed at white men. Well, they aren’t acceptable. Each person is an individual. No one should be judged by the color of their skin or their biological sex. You don’t know a person by looking at them.

  523. Stan Ico on February 16th, 2019 3:05 am

    You are a person who has done nothing and will never provide for your family. You got some attention for being racist but that requires wealth or talent such as Donald Trump or Al Sharpton to get anywhere. You lack both.

  524. Walter on February 16th, 2019 8:59 am

    Evidently the well-nourished lady author repudiates the First Principle of the Academy – free speech. Since this Principle exists in a basic law, the US Constitution, the lady also seems to repudiate the entire corpus. This includes the 14 Amendment. It would seem that she would see nothing amiss if Negro masters held white males in bondage… Shall I then regret white operation (at peril of their own lives) of Underground Railroad Stations?

  525. Jim Nolan on February 16th, 2019 9:58 am

    I am a 70 year old resident of the area who has lived through the changes of those years. Please let me explain what I hear from Lena.

    The Dickenson College student population is predominantly made up of people who feel entitled to loudly and often express their opinions. Those same folks are loath to listen to others who have a different experience or opinion.

    Lena is begging perhaps, demanding, to be listened to so that her experience and opinion can be heard.

    None of us lighter skinned, affluent, folks can EVER possibly understand the experience of being brown and poor in America, period!!! If you are straight, you can NOT possibly understand what it is like to NOT be straight in America.

    I wish Lena had used language that was less incendiary. Actually, I can hear a bit of tongue in cheek satire. I will own up to having been a little bit arrogant and full of myself when I was a 20 year old know it all in 1968.

    We ALL need to listen more.

    Thank you,

    J

  526. A A Ron on February 16th, 2019 1:59 pm

    “White boys spout the narrative of dominant ideologies and pretend they’re hot takes instead of the same misleading garbage shoved down our throats by American institutions from birth.

    I am so g****mned tired of listening to white boys.”

    how ironic, since the author of the article is spouting the dominant ideologies shoved down students’ throats by American academic institutions from birth.

    well, to paraphrase the author’s own words, i’m g***amned tired of listening to affirmative action admittants who wouldn’t even have been in college if they were white or asian.

  527. Blair M. Schirmer on February 17th, 2019 8:39 am

    In addition to all the valid comments here disparaging the author’s conceit, we do well to remember that on average, women in the West do better than men in nearly every area relevant to well-being: longevity, health, health care spending (even after accounting for maternal and reproductive care), education, homelessness, suicide, alcoholism, drug addiction, favoritism in the criminal justice system, reproductive rights (for all the wrongful assailing of women’s rights in this regard, men of course have only trivial reproductive rights), and violent crime victimization.

    Leda’s beloved “male privilege” is nowhere to be found, for everyday men. And, as regards the systemic racism surely plaguing blacks in the U.S., the gap between whites and blacks is often greater in key areas than the gap between women and men. Women in the West are the most privileged demographic in human history, yet Leda wants to paint all men as privileged as the most well-off handful. This fraudulent conflation is as audacious as it is misleading.

    Feminism continues to fight a battle it already won, and it does so because it has devolved into mere special interest advocacy on behalf of women, no more interested in equality than any special interest group: interested in only more and more privilege for its clients.

  528. Anonymous on February 18th, 2019 6:14 am

    I think this article did just what it intended to do- which was to start a conversation about race and privilege in the US, and make people think about the role and narrative they play in society. Thanks for speaking out Lena for a challenging conversation!

  529. Danielle on February 18th, 2019 9:48 am

    This woman is protected by the first amendment and has a right to critique the university she attends. Those who are “fearful” for their white students probably need to sit down and engage in a conversation about what taking up space looks like. Your students will be successful no matter what. Someone telling them that they should listen will not affect anything. If anything, it will only make them better. Kudos for this writer to speak out about something that universities have been studying for years.

  530. White, male parent of Dickinson student on February 18th, 2019 5:59 pm

    To Jim Nolan: Well said.

  531. Susan N on February 19th, 2019 9:30 am

    As an american white woman in her 50s, born, raised and educated in the US, this strikes a chord. I, too, am so tired of white boys (men) who think everybody is dying to hear their take on every damn thing. I also wish they would just shut the hell up and let others speak. And also LISTEN when others speak.

  532. James Virginia on February 19th, 2019 10:28 am

    Yep, reverse the words “white” with “black” in this horrifically Racist screed and the Left would be Rioting in the streets. Nope, the Left wants a war against those that do not agree with them. They will likely get that war.

  533. A J MacDonald on February 19th, 2019 12:46 pm

    “The current anti-racist frenzy is the product of a poisoned academic culture that has declared war on Western Civilization and that teaches students, more than anything else, how to hate—to hate the greatest accomplishments of our civilization, to hate America, and to hate one another.” ~ Heather MacDonald

  534. Stephanie on February 19th, 2019 12:57 pm

    Hello Leda

    Thank you–I am here for this article and the reflection it evokes. Hope that you are taking care of yourself after its release and the discussion it is creating throughout campuses nationally.

    For those experiencing negative reactions to this article please see:

    Deconstructing White Privilege with Dr. Robin DiAngelo
    http://www.gcorr.org/video/vital-conversations-racism-dr-robin-diangelo/

    4 Ways White People Can Process Their Emotions Without Bringing the White Tears
    https://everydayfeminism.com/2016/02/white-people-emotions-tears/

  535. Woke Patrol on February 19th, 2019 5:01 pm

    So Woke. So very, verrrrry woke. Congrats.

  536. Woke Patrol on February 19th, 2019 5:04 pm

    We do listen Leda, and allow me to speak for white boys everywhere when i tell you that we don’t say what we’re REALLY thinking.

  537. A Proud Parent on February 19th, 2019 6:34 pm

    I am the Mother of a Dickinson student; a scholarship student, who is financing the cost of his education through enlistment as a member of ROTC. He is the vilified “white boy” referenced in Ms. Fisher’s article. He is also a young man of great intellect, raised by a single Mother, who respects women. He also respects people of all races, faiths or no faith, those who identify as LGBTQIA, those with a country of origin that differs from his, those of differing political ideologies, etc. Sadly, the author will never know my son, because he tends to avoid those individuals who choose to be negative and spew hatred of others. She would have found him a compassionate, engaged, intelligent young man. He is a young man who has agreed to serve his country to protect her right to her opinion, no matter what it is and how ill-informed. Is she willing to step up for such a commitment to protect her right to her opinion? I am going to imagine that she is not. However, my son will be right there eventually at his assigned post, at night, protecting our freedoms, when she lays her negative head down on her pillow and sleeps.

  538. Ken Hargreaves on February 19th, 2019 9:44 pm

    …and women wonder why they’re not taken seriously. This is what happens when a girl lives a life getting a constant steam of smoke blown up her ass. A life lived steeped in rationalization, self-delusion and hyperbole. What a hoot. Keep it coming.

  539. Brett on February 20th, 2019 11:24 am

    This is a shameful article. But what does my opinion matter… my name is Brett.

  540. Stan Smith on February 21st, 2019 9:40 am

    I, for one, am APPALLED at this article. As an AP scholar, and a perfect ACT scorer (at age 12 mind you), I have had with this racist bigotry associated with Dickinson. My parents are both Dickinson alumni and they are certainly both shocked and deeply offended at this unintelligent rhetoric. I have unfortunately withdrawn my application from Dickinson, and will pursue my degree in poetic studies elsewhere!

  541. Brian Harrison on February 21st, 2019 11:51 pm

    A result of the various “diversity, inclusion and equity” initiatives at universities such as mine (Clemson) seem to be that articles such as Leda Fisher’s piece have become acceptable and in some cases, encouraged*. I can’t say if Leda Fisher’s brought her race hatred with her into Dickinson or if the diversity officers cultivated such hatred in her but the end result is an item that I thought went out of fashion in the 1960s. I claim diversity officers may be responsible because their doctrine [Critical race theory]** encourages the development and display of such attitudes in places such as the Dickinsonian. I am pleased at and reassured by the overall response to this piece.

    I believe that as long as “diversity, inclusion and equity” initiatives and diversity officers continue to operate freely at universities, these articles and other discriminatory activities will keep cropping up. I suggest all universities (Dickinson, Clemson, etc.) evaluate if their campuses are truly more “inclusive” or “equitable” after hiring diversity officers and consider corrective actions such as pink slips.

    * Someone made a similar article to Leda Fisher’s piece at Texas State, the result to those who dared denounced it is illuminating:

    https://www.chronicle.com/article/After-Week-of-Turmoil/243140

    https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10776

    https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10206

    ** A concise definition of Critical Race Theory, the political doctrine diversity officers preach, might explain Leda Fisher’s hatred against white males:

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/critical-race-theory

  542. Isabelle on February 22nd, 2019 12:59 pm

    Thank you, Leda. You are brave, courageous, and speaking the truth. This article highlights how systematic and institutional racism is rampant in U.S. society and is perpetuated by institutions of higher education. The comments on this article that deem it racist are perfect examples of how racism is endemic to the U.S. To put it simply: this article isn’t racist, the comments that call it racist are what is racist about this discussion. Continue to use your voice, Leda. I’m so sorry that you, like so many people of color, have to educate white people about racism.

  543. Jakob on February 22nd, 2019 8:47 pm

    I’ll be honest: I agree with some points she makes. I disagree with the generalization of “White Men” because anyone can be biased. I agree people that focus too much on their own opinion and should listen to others’. People see that many that oppose them are white men. This will always be true because white men are the majority. Suffrage is slowly becoming non-specific regarding race, gender, and all other character specifics. Opinions are being put into a blender. The opinion represented her was skimmed off the top before the blender was turned on. It is an opposition of the common opinion that all voices should be heard by saying that all voices should be heard except the majority. Imagine that you’re a teacher and that 8 out of 10 of your students speak strictly Spanish and the other 2 speak strictly English. What language will the course be taught in? Both deserve to be taught and heard, but only one group can apparently be taught at a time. People will always differ. We just have to learn to listen and learn how to be wrong sometimes.

  544. William Wallace on February 22nd, 2019 10:47 pm

    Off the first paragraph alone I could tell how much of a one sided essay this was. You sit and assume that every white male is taught that their opinions matter over anyone else. That’s by far the most idiotic thought I’ve ever seen in my entire life. This is outright racism and the fact your school even allowed for this to be posted is shameful. And how can you assume that someone’s opinion is uninformed when you have no idea what they themselves have been through. This is basically you saying, “hey I’m a minority I can freely say whatever I want because they’re white”. Good luck getting a good paying job with all this out there. Unless you’re working for someone else that’s also incredibly racist against white men.

  545. Julia on February 25th, 2019 12:02 am

    Leda,
    If you continue to live your life in this victim mindset, you will get nowhere in life. You were not enslaved. You have the same rights as every other white male to attend that university, not to mention the additional diversity scholarships you have undoubtedly received simply for the color of your skin. How about writing an actual piece about your life of hard work and dedication as a black woman journalist (which I guess you have little experience based on the “unoriginality” of this article), rather than tearing down an entire group of people with your racist and sexist opinions. Demonizing white people, specifically white men the way you have done, is no different than Hitler demonizing Jews because of their race. Take a good look in the mirror sweetheart, because I’m scared by what I just read.

  546. Huy Nguyen on February 25th, 2019 4:21 pm

    Interesting article and even more interesting comments. As an Asian American male, I do see the author’s point while I was in college and now in my career the last 25 years. White males do have more opinion but that’s just the mere fact that there are more of them in Corporate America. Not all of what they say are true but I can’t say that everything they say is self validation. I’m not justifying “white males”. Trust me, I’ve been discriminated against and lived through racism and probably mostly by white males. And I know it hurts like hell. But I don’t hold one specific “subgroup” responsible. I do understand the author’s opinion. And I read the article as HER opinion after reading it a second time a week later. But as I told my Black coworkers/neighbors/friends, I can never experience racism the way they have endured. We should all be judged based on our character/merits…something we all should aspire to. Change start within you first before you can try to change others.

  547. Matt on February 25th, 2019 6:32 pm

    Wow, the author has really touched a nerve. I have to say, I saw myself in this. Please add Matt to the list of Chads and Brians because I’m super guilty of the kind of behavior described in this thoroughly entertaining and thought-provoking piece. Its very uncomfortable to recognize yourself in an essay like this and I welcome the discomfort. I hope it makes me a better listener and a better ally. I’ve already said too much in this space but I want to thank the author for her perspective and encourage all the folks raging against her to instead suffer through some real introspection and come out better for it.

  548. M Adele Kelleher on February 25th, 2019 8:12 pm

    Leda, I applaud you for your courage.

  549. Charles Carr on March 4th, 2019 3:30 pm

    Dickinson Fund Raisers: My alma mater supporting this type of RACIST nonsense is the reason that I will no longer give this school any of my hard-earned money, which was probably used to pay for the writers scholarship.

    Good luck in the real world you RACIST BIGOT.

  550. Chicone Kootsvayouma on March 5th, 2019 1:12 am

    Meanwhile, the Native American sits in the back and rolls his eyes silently.

  551. Michael on March 5th, 2019 11:24 am

    What an ass…

  552. x95b10 on March 6th, 2019 1:29 am

    The “author” of this tripe is pure human garbage.

  553. Victor on March 11th, 2019 2:27 pm

    I smell the fetid stench of absolute entitlement coming from a little girl who has never had to face genuine opposition day one in her life. Fortunately there’s Title IX and progressive stacking is against the law.

  554. Carr on March 12th, 2019 9:07 am

    So…
    Where do we go from here?

  555. Jon on March 14th, 2019 7:21 pm

    I think you belong in a mental hospital.

  556. Shannon on March 15th, 2019 8:05 pm

    Wouldn’t it be better to use your Dickinson education and fervor for peace, Ms. Fisher?

  557. Jay Smith on March 16th, 2019 3:51 pm

    Wow. She sounds bitter, huh? LOL!

  558. Andrew Park on March 24th, 2019 5:06 pm

    “There is an endless line of white boys waiting to share their opinions on the state of feminism in America, whether the LGBTQ+ population finally has enough rights, the merits of capitalism, etc. The list of what white boys think they are qualified to talk about is endless.” Aren’t universities supposed to be places where you can discuss such topics freely and openly? Are you of the belief that one should only talk if he or she is qualified to talk on that subject? If that is the case, you would have a very, very silent campus. God these Social Justice Warriors these days. I’m going to go out on a limb and posit that this author also believes that it is impossible to be racist against white people. I can already hear the choruses of SJWs singing how I shouldn’t be able to discuss such things as a white male. Sorry to burst your bubble. I’m a proud Korean-American male who thinks your views amount to a type of Orwellian dystopia, the problems of which you are completely blind.

  559. Roscoe on March 30th, 2019 3:00 am

    I’m a white boy.

    Come make me shut up.

  560. Hawthorne on April 9th, 2019 11:40 am

    I really can’t even wrap my mind around how ignorant and entitled you are. You obviously have an immense hatred towards white men for some reason; but everyone is free to ask questions, regardless of race/color/gender.

    If you don’t like your environment, remove yourself from it and find one that better suits you.

    Bye Felicia-

  561. robert on April 12th, 2019 6:19 am

    hating white folks – it’s the new RACIAL PROFILING

  562. Dan Williams on April 12th, 2019 4:23 pm

    Something about shutting up people because of their skin color or sex sounds very inclusive! Props for ascending to a level of hypocrisy never before seen from the Left.

  563. Loren Magnuson on April 14th, 2019 11:44 pm

    Gross.

  564. Jeanne on April 15th, 2019 11:37 am

    Your article is extremely classist. Your assumption that all White Boys enjoy the same privilege in our society betrays your lack of understanding and your elitism. My father grew up on a farm to immigrants from Eastern Europe. My mother’s father was just a poor, White-trash coal miner from West Virginia who destroyed himself with alcohol after he and my grandmother lost a child. Both sides of my family descend from White commoners–serfs from Eastern Europe, laborers from the industrial centers of Western Europe, like London, where the water would kill you so the children drank gin. Oh. It was just great for them. My very earliest immigrant ancestors were convicts, sent to the colonies for such heinous offenses as stealing food. All those decades of institutionalized, ingrained poverty took its toll. My parents passed their Blue Collar sense of being less-than on to their children, especially to the boys, and none of the men in my family have ever thought that their opinion mattered. You must be talking about rich boys from suburbs like the one you were raised in, asshole.

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