If Leda Fisher’s Article Offended You, Consider This:
First, let’s talk about the tone of the article, which I suspect is what fired up a lot of people. Fisher’s frustration and anger is palpable. But it is also reasonable and understandable given the racial and patriarchal oppression prevalent in our society—ideological forces that Dickinson is not immune to as part of wider US culture. As James Baldwin said, “To be a Negro in this country and to be relatively conscious is to be in a rage almost all the time.” If you haven’t read any Baldwin, you should; it remains as relevant as ever. Sometimes what someone says is more important than how they say it. This is one of those times. If you wrote a response to Fisher criticizing her tone, you’re missing the point of her article. Ironically, some of those missing her point also provided ample evidence to support it.
Then again, rants do have rhetorical merit. For those who have had experiences similar to Fisher’s, reading her piece was probably cathartic and likely helped give voice to feelings they may not have found the words for yet. And when you’re part of a group that is routinely rendered voiceless by your society, people almost never listen to you until you shout, scream, and cry. Then when you do, people tell you to watch your tone. Surely you can imagine how infuriating that must be and what an injustice that is? If we can be a little less fragile, and humble ourselves enough to consider the experiences of someone else—especially when that someone is part of a group that our society systemically and routinely marginalizes—this sort of writing can be profoundly instructive.
Some have also commented that “if the roles were reversed…” they would be roundly condemned for writing such an article. And, yes, they would be. But the roles aren’t reversed, are they? Once we factor in context and power dynamics, it is easy to see that a hypothetical reversal of the relevant power dynamic is no justification for condemning Fisher’s piece. White people have not experienced centuries of institutional, systemic, and aversive racism. Our society does not implicitly and explicitly signal to white people on a regular basis that our lives do not matter. Men are negatively affected by the patriarchy, but not in the same ways as other genders, and they reap many privileges from it that other genders do not. And white men and white women have never had to navigate the sometimes conflicting and always damaging effects of being oppressed by racism and sexism simultaneously. Because we are in privileged, dominant positions, speaking in generalizations about other races would amount to racism. When people who are not in dominant positions speak out about the injustices they are experiencing, it does not threaten our positions of power and it does not contribute to an overarching, systemic, racist ideology oppressing us… because there is none.
Now, if you have not participated in the injustices Fisher outlines, you do not need to take her article personally. But, and this is a big “but,” I would argue it is essential to our humanity that we carefully examine how we have been complicit in oppressing those around us by either participating unwittingly or by allowing oppression, inequality, and injustice to persist even when we notice it (e.g. Did you speak up when the KKK distributed flyers around Carlisle?). Fisher is speaking in generalizations, but she is also speaking of her own experiences among white males, some of whom tend to drown out, interrupt, dismiss, and generally marginalize voices different from their own. I’m familiar with this phenomenon and have experienced it myself as a woman. The idea that what Fisher describes is a genuine, repeated, and pervasive experience that many women and minorities can relate to should concern you. Not for your own sake, but for theirs.
If you are a white male who hasn’t behaved that way, that’s nice. If you think you may have behaved that way, before defending yourself and interjecting “not all men!” this is an important moment to reflect. And the problem isn’t just when people from marginalized groups are interrupted or their ideas are shot down. It is also when people from dominant groups fail to make space for their voices by monopolizing conversations. As a white woman, this has happened to me repeatedly in male dominated spaces. But I will also own the fact that at times I have inadvertently monopolized conversations in groups where I should have sat down, been quiet, and done more listening, even when I thought I disagreed. I was very fortunate to study and move among people who were exceedingly patient with me while I learned how to temper my enthusiasm and humble myself enough to both listen more and to actively try to create spaces for people different from me to speak. Was it challenging at times to accept that I had made the mistake of effectively silencing others when that was not my intention? Of course, but it was also a transformative learning experience that I am very grateful to have had. If you can put your ego aside for a moment, reread Fisher’s article and see if there is anything you can learn from her. It may end up being one of the most valuable lessons you’ll ever learn. I want to encourage you to take a moment and sit with your discomfort because I promise you it pales in comparison to the discomfort people of color sit with on a daily basis in our society.
Dickinson’s motto is “Pietate et doctrina tuta,” (Freedom is made safe through character and learning). Fisher is presenting us with another opportunity to learn and to hone our characters.
To Fisher: I see you and I stand with you. I didn’t read your article as an example of racism. I took it to be righteous indignation in the face of systemic oppression. And I’m proud of you for having the bravery to use your voice and speak your truth.
Ruth Bailey • Jun 16, 2020 at 10:15 pm
I loved both op-eds. Judging from the comments, Dickinson College seems like a miserable community for both women and black students.
Eric Means • Feb 25, 2019 at 5:01 pm
Under no circumstances is the opinion piece of Leda Fischer worth consideration or reflection. If the intent of the article was to “enlighten” white men then she failed.
Once you insult an entire group of people based off nothing more than color and gender then you don’t deserve to be heard.
You can’t echo hate then expect understanding and welcome from the very group you expressed hatred towards.
Abigail, your attempt to soften the article is misguided. For you to say that article would only be condemned if it was written by a white man about black women clearly shows that you don’t even understand your own argument.
It is simple if it is wrong, it is wrong.
You are a hypocrite if you look at the article that Leda wrote and said that if it was written by a white man about black girls you would not support it but due to Leda’s race it is ok, that is ridiculous.
Move past the color and gender and focus on humanity. If you do that you would say that Leda’s article has nothing to support as one human should not attempt to dictate which other humans should have the opportunity to speak.
As long as Leda is using the Alt Right communication tactics her words deserve as much consideration theirs… NONE, ZERO, ZILCH, NADA.
Erlend Kimmich • Sep 16, 2023 at 2:44 pm
@Eric, why for a second do you think the article was written to enlighten white men?
As we consider humanity, the vast majority are not white men, and yet the majority of media and speech is reserved for white men in the service of other white men. The disparity of power is felt globally and as a white man I know that white men have made a mess an won’t listen to each other even. I found Leda’s article hilarious and a breath of fresh air and I did not feel the slightest but threatened because I am crystal clear about my privilege in this racist world we live in. Abigail and Leda right on the money. Leda’s implicit suggestion to take the cotton out of your ears and put it in your mouth could have cost $100 dollars or whatever in your self help group. Instead you got it for free.Thank you to Dickinson for allowing my daughter Leda to flourish and for giving her the space to share her insights to make this world a better place, even if it comes at the cost of making some white guys uncomfortable. My daughter rocks! The racists , sexist, and inciting to violence attacks after her article went viral are hopefully a sign of just what fragile constructs white male supremacy is based on.
QP • Feb 24, 2019 at 11:51 am
Clueless idiots from Dickinson driving the value of a diploma into negative territory. $60K a year worth of stupid.
Don’t hire Dickinson grads.
Let’s see if the school is still around in another decade.
Thomas Lacovara • Feb 23, 2019 at 1:21 am
I am not offended by the original article or yours. I feel sorry for you. You are so programmed by Cultural Marxist insanity that I really do believe you believe the nonsense of what you are relaying. There is one thing Jordan Peterson was very correct about and this is not a threat but a prediction….this indoctrination is going to push push push to the point where there comes inevitable blowback. And when it comes it will be pure Fascism that comes to take out the trash…Rising one trash to respond to another. Take heed by God please take heed. Keep your sexuality to yourselves, be modest and contrite. Be honorable and introspective….forget the Patriarchy and identity politics. I assure you I care not whom you bed, whom you love, or who you believe you are…but to require the rest of the world, to demand that they believe as you do or shut up? Well being the anti-gun crowd….let me tell you that the majority of your opponents will not be fun to deal with when you have finally taken this to it’s limit.
Leda is a duche • Feb 21, 2019 at 4:04 am
You have NO acceptable defense or response except for a 100% full apology. you obviously have zero clue about how culture and society work together and you are very angry young people who are in for a RUDE awakening. That piece is a Transparent peek into the CRAP that is coming out of our universities and if you all don’t start learning tolerance and STOP learning HATE your biggest claims to fame will be how many times your momma’s had to bail you out of jail for protesting the fact that Kraft AMERICAN YELLOW cheese is offensive and racist!!! Grow the F up!
cking • Feb 20, 2019 at 1:27 am
You asked if we spoke when the KKK flyers were spread around town. We not only spoke, but had a rally! I just went to Harrisburg today and picked odf the remaining letters on a hate group’s sticker on a post in Riverfront Park a news story said people couldn’t pull off. (Just needed a pen knife and a lot of patience!) Many things are done to fight the white racism. But self pitying people like to ignore that and continue pointing out the world is against them.
Billy Irving • Feb 19, 2019 at 7:43 pm
I am so jealous of all you retired baby-boomer chuds who have nothing better to do all day but constantly refresh a student newspaper’s website for a college you didn’t even go to, waiting for articles to get published that you can all make the same boring comment on. Do you copy and paste them from some kind of catalogue for Ben Shapiro fans? Get a hobby guys, seriously…most entitled generation.
MadAsHell • Feb 19, 2019 at 6:46 pm
No Dickinson. Freedom is made through the sacrifice of the American Soldier. Not from the rantings of spoiled petulant children.
M scott • Feb 19, 2019 at 6:42 pm
It is amazing to me that this author doubles down on the rhetoric and regurgitation of the liberal brainwashing that so offended MOST readers. We white people dont need your lectures about how awful we are so save it for your family dinner tables and the other community events you attend where you are poisoned by the excuses of your failed culture. We compete and we have expectations and if you don’t like it too damn bad. Maybe our so called racism isn’t about your skin color or your last name, maybe it is about watching a culture decay into chaos with teen pregnancies, drugs, gang memberships and crime. Maybe if you’d spend more time fostering the idea that your ‘oppressed’ group is intellectual and ambitious as opposed to what we are incessantly exposed to in mainstream culture, you’d have more respect. Whining about oppression and victimization and straw men like patriarchal society and being brainwashed by your whining mentors who fail every step of the way is the exact reason certain people don’t get ahead. No one wants to deal with whiners who throw race and gender in your face every time they fail miserably due to their wn incompetence and laziness. Get over yourselves or keep failing and being ignored. You have some great life lessons ahead of you when you get out of your privileged indoctrination tank. If you want to ruin progress by having your hand held, stay in academia where you can do nothing and still manege to pretend you are superior to those of us actually accomplishing things in life.
Noneyo • Feb 19, 2019 at 5:38 pm
You wanna start a race war? Because empowering and encouraging chuckleheads like this is how you start a race war.
You wanna try and stop whites from talking. Then you are going to end up on the receiving end of their (very justified) rage. You actually think you can do it. Go ahead, bring it. Just let me get out of town before you try. I don’t wanna be implicated or among the dead.
I am so very ashamed of what Obama did to our nation. And I am much more ashamed and disgusted by the morons that are following the lead of him and all of the other racist blacks.
Virtually 100% of the racist rhetoric I have heard ALL of my life has come from the mouths of blacks and leftists.
Steve Aunan • Feb 19, 2019 at 5:29 pm
The comments here are cathartic.
bob Foster • Feb 18, 2019 at 2:56 pm
You are as much of a piece of garbage as she!
Fred • Feb 18, 2019 at 8:37 am
A serious problem with Ms. Prang’s argument is that Leda Fisher enjoys the privileges of an elite and is not actually oppressed.
Can someone explain how one can be an oppressed elite?
The Rohingya, for instance, are actually oppressed. Ms. Fisher enjoys economic and political privileges that are the envy of most of the world. How is she oppressed?
Mediocre White Boy • Feb 18, 2019 at 6:40 am
I think the biggest takeaway from these op-eds and the supporting comments posted below them is that the founding fathers had a pretty accurate idea of which groups were and were not broadly capable of successful self rule within the framework of an enlightenment based democratic republic. Clearly, the white boys who dreamed up the 13th, 14th, 15th, and 19th amendments should have been prevented from speaking. The utter bankruptcy of thought in the works oozing forth from every academic department ending in the word “studies” seems to confirm this conclusion on a daily basis, demonstrating a lack of basic critical thinking skills. What an embarrassment to Dickinson and the entire western world. It is a shame we will all pay the price for putting “progress” at all costs ahead of the values that created the greatest civilizations on the face of the Earth. Victimhood is a poor painkiller to conceal the sting of personal failure, and whining will get you nowhere.
Dave • Feb 17, 2019 at 9:52 pm
I also wanted to add that Abigail says that everyone knows that she wasn’t referring to all white people. If a white person wrote an article like this about black people, you would read it literally. Don’t pretend you wouldnt. And what you mean by not all white people, is that you think she is referring to white people who agree with her. So basically you are trying to deny freedom of speech rights of white people who disagree with you. What a progressive agenda!!
Dave Hancock • Feb 17, 2019 at 9:37 pm
There was an article on CNN that talked about “whitesplaining” today and it was hilariously similar to this one. You often speak about how white males offer no creative content, yet everything here comes out of the liberal playbook to shit up white people and white males. There is no creative opinion or added wisdom in either Leda or Abigail’s articles. I found it to be great when Abigail spoke about humility yet her article came from a place of arrogance from Abigail and Leda. Arrogance that you understand all white people and that the American human experience is all about racism and there is no earning of anything through hard work. I am more than happy to work with Black people, Hispanics and Asians toward creating a better world where we are all equal. Instead, I think what you want is power of everyone, not equality. I will not be generalised as privileged when you’ve got privileged private school kids complaining about my privilege. My father, a white male, had a few dollars in his pocket and a train ticket and worked his way through public state college. Was given nothing! You need to graduate, experience the world and see that blame will get you nowhere in this world. Finding commonality and collaborating is what makes change.
Alumna • Feb 17, 2019 at 6:31 pm
Really?
“If you are a white male who hasn’t behaved that way, that’s nice. If you think you may have behaved that way, before defending yourself and interjecting “not all men!” this is an important moment to reflect. And the problem isn’t just when people from marginalized groups are interrupted or their ideas are shot down”
Way to hear that if an individual ‘white male’ tries to defend himself – not ‘white men’ as whole he’s still part of the problem.
This is a much better written article but I think fails to address the hypocrisy and the frustrations that were leg’t brought up in the last article.
As an alumna, this is really ‘Dickinsonian’ of either author. I have always believed that respect was given to an individual. Sure, the author could be talking in broad terms about ethnic groups, something that should be done at an academic institution…but not silencing them? Even in hyperbole.
And then when given someone a chance to respond or defend themselves…this is the mindset.
“If you are a white male who hasn’t behaved that way, that’s nice. If you think you may have behaved that way, before defending yourself and interjecting “not all men!” this is an important moment to reflect. And the problem isn’t just when people from marginalized groups are interrupted or their ideas are shot down..”
In the case of Leda’s article, the language was virulent and a bit hostile. I was put on edge and I’m not a ‘white male.’
So it’s okay for Leda and Abigail to take attacks against their race and gender personally yet for ‘white men’ to feel the same way it’s not okay? Are all white men fascist white supremists? Let’s be realistic here. At a school like Dickinson, No.
Honestly, I feel like that more people on campus need to just say screw it and speak up. stop looking to blame, the only person holding you back is yourself and fix it yourself. That was the strongest thing I learned at Dickinson….to fix the problem productively, constructively and respectfully.
This was not respectful. Its to soon to tell if it going to be constructive or productive but based on other things, i’m sure very little will change other then people getting angrier.
Stephen Hughes • Feb 17, 2019 at 5:07 pm
Well this op-ed created quite a shit storm. On my first read of Leda’s piece I was taken back by her tone, but on second and third reading I gained other thoughts, I had questions and different feelings.
I had to remind myself Leda is just one woman with an opinion that some may identify with and others have no idea what she is talking about compared to the experiences in their own lives.
What did surprise me was the vitriol of many of the responses some of which seemed to prove her opinion. Alumni threatening to cut funds to the college; body shaming her by one responder; many accusing her of racism. Several people wanted to throw her out of college, others criticized the college for even allowing her a vehicle to express her thoughts, a little over the top in my opinion.
I cannot walk in Leda’s shoes, and she cannot walk in mine or any other person be they black, white, brown, rainbow, men, woman, Asian, old young, able, disabled, educated, uneducated, rich or poor. Perhaps on a different day she may see things differently, this one episode should not define her future life and experiences.
The positives I take from Leda’s piece and the responses is it made me think, made me question, am I part of the problem or part of the solution. I sincerely hope Leda will write another piece about how she thinks and feels now having read the many responses, some supporting some opposing. What has she learned from all of this. Will she seek to engage others not like her, will she talk to ‘white boys’ and encourage them to talk. How does she think and feel, now. How does she see herself, now. Is she dividing people from each other or bringing people together in understanding the differences and commonality of all people.
David Axelrod • Feb 16, 2019 at 12:45 pm
You low IQ neanderthals need to remember that without whitee, you would be living in Haiti, or maybe starving in Zimbabwe. Virtually every modern day convenience we all take for granted today was developed over the course of history by white people. You should get down on your knees every day and thank whitee you live in a country that allows ignorant morons like yourself the opportunity at an education, but I see you obviously are not taking advantage of that opportunity, eh?
Dad • Feb 16, 2019 at 11:26 am
So Ms. Fisher singles out White men, by gender and race, calls them all “boys” and tells them to shut-up, and you think the problem is with the audience, not the speaker? I am afraid you are as racist and sexist as Ms Fisher. I suspect this editorial will haunt you the rest of your career, as it probably should.
Mark • Feb 16, 2019 at 12:48 am
Thank you for teaching us that the white race truly is superior since we are the only race that has actually turned mostly away from away from our own racism. Maybe some day you will achieve that too but I suggest you get started unless you want to be left behind.
Freddy Fred • Feb 15, 2019 at 9:54 pm
How is she even black? She was raised Jewish in some leafy enclave and looks lighter than Rachel Dolezal.
Were times particularly hard in her suburb? Gangs, government cheese and that sort of thing? Or did some White boy just call her a mean name at her Bat Mitzvah?
Clearly she has never missed a meal.
Jim • Feb 15, 2019 at 6:28 pm
It is hilarious that students whose parents presumably can afford to send them to a $50,000 private university think that they’re one of the people who society truly discriminates against. Perhaps your school should be more discriminatory about who it admits and avoid the overt racists? An 80% acceptance rate is pretty pathetically high, so pretty much anyone who can sign their name on the SATs and who has rich parents or a trust fund gets in huh?
Sir Rudyard Kipling • Feb 15, 2019 at 4:41 pm
It was not part of their blood,
It came to them very late,
With long arrears to make good,
When the Saxon began to hate.
They were not easily moved,
They were icy — willing to wait
Till every count should be proved,
Ere the Saxon began to hate.
Their voices were even and low.
Their eyes were level and straight.
There was neither sign nor show
When the Saxon began to hate.
It was not preached to the crowd.
It was not taught by the state.
No man spoke it aloud
When the Saxon began to hate.
It was not suddently bred.
It will not swiftly abate.
Through the chilled years ahead,
When Time shall count from the date
That the Saxon began to hate.
Chad Whiteman • Feb 15, 2019 at 4:40 pm
Lmao you’re an embarrassment to Dickinson’s reputation. How meaningless and irrelevant does your life have to be for you to still be talking down to college students a decade after your graduation? Go do something worthwhile and contribute to society. Self righteous indignation is not a reason to restrict rights based on skin color and sex.
A History Student • Feb 15, 2019 at 4:37 pm
“White people have not experienced centuries of institutional, systemic, and aversive racism.”
Slavic People
The Italians and Irish in America during the industrial revolution
Anyone not Anglo-Saxon in the first century of American history
Scandinavians
The Portuguese and Spanish
Russians under Stalin
Look I know your field is in African-American and racial studies, but maybe you should open a history book that doesn’t focus on one particular group of people at some point. After all, that’s not what a smart and open minded American would do…
Glenn Groves • Feb 15, 2019 at 4:33 pm
I agree with Ms. Fisher’s underlying argument which to me is not racist but addresses the crucial issue of White Privilege. However, as an educator and with regards to the tone and sophomoric style, I respectfully ask the writer, if she wants to be right or does she want to be effective in her activism for change? Anger, however justified and whether from being the protagonist or recipient is ineffective and ultimately destructive.
As a 58 year-old white male, I have begun to excavate within myself, and point out to others, the degree to which white privilege is ingrained and pervasive in individuals and our society as a whole. This is not an easy thing to do since from the time we are born, skin color still dictates what doors are open or closed to us. It is damaging, divisive and just plain wrong. Until this country explores the issue to its roots and comes to terms with past and present wrongdoings, such as Slavery and Jim Crow among other cracks in our national foundations, we will continue to remain in our separate camps to the detriment of everyone. Frankly, even in my lifetime, though progress has been made, the past 50 years have still been no cakewalk for people of color. We are living in dangerous and difficult times as a country as well as globally. We should be seeking what unites us in our common humanity and trying to heal what divides us. On whatever level, we need to be building bridges and not walls.
Sam Hyde • Feb 15, 2019 at 4:15 pm
I wanna be totally straightforward with you… You will never, in a million years, get a job at a publication as prestigious as the New York Times. That little pipe-dream is never gonna happen. You will be blogging and tweeting until you are dead, and nobody will care. Nobody will ever read anything your wrote and say to themselves: “MAN THIS IS IMPORTANT! I NEED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS!” Nobody’s ever gonna read a page that you wrote and say to themselves: “damn I’m glad I read that,” it’s just popcorn, you write the mental equivalent of popcorn. And you will neeeever get a job at the New York Times. They’ll look at your resume and go “mmmmhummhmmmm this girl’s a FUCKIN IDIOT.” What do you think about that?
James • Feb 15, 2019 at 3:47 pm
Speaking from the perspective of a Jewish alumni. Have we learned nothing from our past? Don’t we know what happens when we cultivate animosity between us and white people? Leda has no idea what true oppression is like. I am ashamed to be even remotely associated with this racist vitriol due to her affiliation with Hillel. Why must we continue repeating the same mistakes from the past? Escalating the violent racial rhetoric will not end well, I’m afraid for the future of our country. If we stake our claims on racial grounds, we beget racial resentment and violence. Communities are made weaker, not stronger, by these sorts of unhinged diatribes. I recommend every Jew to stand up for what is right, and not to feed into this anti-White hatred
Rob Reece • Feb 15, 2019 at 2:26 pm
When I read just the first few sentences all o could hear was
Waaah
Waaah
Waaah
Waaah
Jacob • Feb 15, 2019 at 2:26 pm
You would think your $54,000 a year education would teach you a bit more than openly spreading ignorance, intolerance, and racism. But that just must be your “privilege” seeping through!
It sounds like both of the writers simply need to clam down, have a glass of wine, a midol, download Tinder, and get laid by a white boy
kwl • Feb 15, 2019 at 9:32 am
“Some have also commented that “if the roles were reversed…” they would be roundly condemned for writing such an article. And, yes, they would be. But the roles aren’t reversed, are they?”
I’m an alumna from the class of 2001. You are making an assumption, and argument based on that assumption, that it is impossible to be racist against white people. This may be what they teach you these days, but is not true. Webster defines racism as “a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.”
The article was racist. It does not matter who does it. It is wrong. Now you are doubling down on the racism. If a white student would be facing expulsion for writing such an article, then that should apply in this situation as well.
The college has not adequately addressed this matter. This whole situation makes me ashamed of Dickinson.
Alex • Feb 15, 2019 at 8:41 am
I want to congratulate you guys on doing your part to get Trump re-ejected.
sc • Feb 14, 2019 at 10:42 pm
Replace “white” with “Jew” and see if it makes a difference in your thought process. I can’t stand these Jews, the world is made for Jews, I’m not racist against Jews because I’m not a Jew, etc. etc.
It’s this kind of stuff that actually makes people racist.
Rick • Feb 14, 2019 at 9:54 pm
Quoting a writer from the 40’s & 50’s on what it’s like to be black in this country? Well today there certainly is racist discrimination. We’ve lowered admission requirements and provided scholarships for black women. Companies engage in hiring and promoting black women over their male counterparts. Yet Leda whines about the injustice. You want to achieve success like the white men of privilege. Well maybe you should be the one to sit quietly and learn. Exploit the opportunity provided to you to educate yourself and should you choose to get off your ass and work hard you can enjoy the benefits as well. After all you’ve been GIVEN the PRIVILEGE many in the word don’t get
Ben Compaine '67 • Feb 14, 2019 at 9:30 pm
Ms. Prang falls into the same trap of sweeping generalizations that undercut Ms. Fisher’s reasonable endpoint. Ms. Prang offers an even greater abstraction, moving past just “White boys” to all Whites, in asserting, “White people have not experienced centuries of institutional, systemic, and aversive racism.”
I’m White. And Jewish. I would suggest Ms. Prang check her history. Jews were slaves, have been discriminated against in multiple societies, have been restricted in where they can live, what jobs they can hold. We were expelled from their homes in Spain en masse. Of yeah, and about six million were exterminated in the last century for just being Jews. The lucky ones fled, leaving behind home, savings and possessions. Being White was not a saving grace
With her predilection for generalizations, I can understand why Ms. Prang has leapt to Ms. Fisher’s defense. Yet, I would urge her to take to heart Ms. Fisher’s ultimate prescription for White boys. She concluded: “I encourage you to critically examine where your viewpoints come from…”
That’s good advice all around.
Wang Hong • Feb 14, 2019 at 4:24 pm
https://www.dickinson.edu/news/article/3511/
“She’s also a student leader with Hillel, JStreetU”
What a surprise
jj • Feb 14, 2019 at 4:14 pm
LEDA FISHER: “I am so g****mned tired of listening to white boys. I cannot describe to you how frustrating it is to be forced to listen to a white boy explain his take on the Black experience in the Obama-era.”
Well, Leda Fisher, what about this? “I am so g****mned tired of listening to black girls. I cannot describe to you how frustrating it is to be forced to listen to a black girl explain her take on the White experience in the Trump-era.”
Jay Hampton • Feb 14, 2019 at 4:04 pm
Thanks for writing this. I think you nailed.
I hear a lot a criticism about your writing and Leda’s writing. I thought both pieces were very well written.
When I read Leda’s piece, my initial reaction was anger. But when I sat back and reflected, I could imagine how I could have written the same thing had I been in her position.
Anyways, thanks for sharing your perspective and insight with this 55 year old white boy.
Tom Leykis • Feb 14, 2019 at 3:41 pm
Another idiot offers her useless $.02 worth.
JW • Feb 14, 2019 at 3:22 pm
Maeve,
Your point is very well taken (see, eg, my comments on Mr. DeCarli’s piece from last week). But honestly, if you are going to make it, please use the proper form of “alumna” (I think?), unless of course you are purposefully using the Royal We.
M. • Feb 14, 2019 at 3:21 pm
I usually don’t comment on things but after reading the comments on this piece (and the original), I feel obligated to speak up and give KUDOS to the brilliant, unapologetic ladies putting up with this s*** and speaking with such eloquence!
Abigail and Leda, the world is a better place because of your voices. We are so lucky to have you out here speaking up for the marginalized on an /incredibly/ white, upper class college campus, even though every word you say is met with a mob of anonymous pitchfork-holders. (I really doubt these people actually read this piece, though. If they did, they’d understand the ACTUAL meaning of Leda’s article in the context of history and society. But no, these people see the word “white boy” and begin angrily keymashing.)
I guess some people will never understand that privilege exists and reverse racism isn’t real. Anyways, thanks again for your bravery and for keeping it real. Hope you can at least get a few laughs out of this.
Just a random person • Feb 14, 2019 at 2:38 pm
So I seldom reply on these type of opinion pieces and prefer reading the comment section, but I was compelled to at least respond in some capacity. As a footnote, I am neither black nor white, but an Asian male. I will never able to experience the discrimination and marginalization of women or other young men/women of color.
My comments to your opinion below:
“First, let’s talk about the tone of the article, which I suspect is what fired up a lot of people.” – I implore you to read the comments of those individuals commenting back on Fisher’s article. It was not her ‘tone’, but her overall content.
“Fisher’s frustration and anger is palpable. But it is also reasonable and understandable given the racial and patriarchal oppression prevalent in our society—ideological forces that Dickinson is not immune to as part of wider US culture.” – Feeling frustrated alone about the injustices of ‘society’ will never result in the changes that needs to take place.
“As James Baldwin said, “To be a Negro in this country and to be relatively conscious is to be in a rage almost all the time.” If you haven’t read any Baldwin, you should; it remains as relevant as ever. Sometimes what someone says is more important than how they say it. This is one of those times. If you wrote a response to Fisher criticizing her tone, you’re missing the point of her article. Ironically, some of those missing her point also provided ample evidence to support it.” – At what point do we stop raging? Inclusiveness and understanding works both ways. Creating meaningful dialogue and discussion is the basis of greater understanding and higher education institutions, like Dickinson, ‘should be’ safe spaces to learn from one another and explore ideas. Fisher’s article neither invited thoughtful discussion about the discrimination that young people encounter in communities, but rather focuses on her own experiences by lamenting her classmates and generalizing her experiences to a racial group.
“Then again, rants do have rhetorical merit.” – Do they really?
“For those who have had experiences similar to Fisher’s, reading her piece was probably cathartic and likely helped give voice to feelings they may not have found the words for yet. And when you’re part of a group that is routinely rendered voiceless by your society, people almost never listen to you until you shout, scream, and cry. Then when you do, people tell you to watch your tone. Surely you can imagine how infuriating that must be and what an injustice that is? If we can be a little less fragile, and humble ourselves enough to consider the experiences of someone else—especially when that someone is part of a group that our society systemically and routinely marginalizes—this sort of writing can be profoundly instructive.” – President Obama, Martin Luther King, Gandhi, never had to ‘shout, scream, and cry’, but they were all marginalized and routinely silenced by society. Nevertheless, they were able to change policies and influence others by creating meaningful discussions and be a change agent for good.
“Some have also commented that “if the roles were reversed…” they would be roundly condemned for writing such an article. And, yes, they would be. But the roles aren’t reversed, are they?Once we factor in context and power dynamics, it is easy to see that a hypothetical reversal of the relevant power dynamic is no justification for condemning Fisher’s piece. ” – You’re basically trying to justifying why it is okay for Fisher to condemn white males in general and that double standards do not apply in this scenario.
“White people have not experienced centuries of institutional, systemic, and aversive racism. Our society does not implicitly and explicitly signal to white people on a regular basis that our lives do not matter. Men are negatively affected by the patriarchy, but not in the same ways as other genders, and they reap many privileges from it that other genders do not. And white men and white women have never had to navigate the sometimes conflicting and always damaging effects of being oppressed by racism and sexism simultaneously. Because we are in privileged, dominant positions, speaking in generalizations about other races would amount to racism. When people who are not in dominant positions speak out about the injustices they are experiencing, it does not threaten our positions of power and it does not contribute to an overarching, systemic, racist ideology oppressing us… because there is none.” – You’re making a generalization about a racial group here. I am Asian and I will never experience the inequalities that black men and women endure in their communities in a daily basis, however I cannot make a broad generalization of groups of people. The term, “white people” in your opinion focuses only in broad strokes. There are “white people” that also endure discrimination across the country and abroad. I think every race encounters it in some capacity. Please note, there is a real difference between inequity and inequality.
Side note – Originally I was going to respond to each paragraph, but decided the rest of the content in your article is justifying Fisher’s opinion article and basically ranting (which I guess has merit?). I do not argue that there are “people” that are born in wealth and privilege, but I cannot pass wide broad judgements on them. I want to “live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character”. I hope you do the same, especially on Valentine’s Day today. Go out and meet a “white person(s)” and get to know them. Bridge the gap between ignorance and thoughtfulness and create a better world than those passed. You will never do that by instilling a victim mentality and thinking the world is against you. I would imagine that you’ll find communities that is full of acceptance and change those that are not with kindness and utilizing positive voices. You won’t by telling young white men and women that they don’t have any merit or to silence them like you’ve been silenced.
Maeve • Feb 14, 2019 at 2:28 pm
As an alumnae, I’m more offended by the sheer lack of editing that went into these op-ed’s! Were these just uploaded and sent to press without any copy editing? That said, I think we could all appreciate and respect a well-written, well-edited piece on marginalization in the classroom, real and perceived, and not just a wall of soundbites extracted from an overexposure to social media. So far, we’ve received two incoherent pieces: one strung together and peppered with colloquial exclamations and another one that is either a defense of the position or a lecture, but equally poorly contrived. You’re better than this, Dickinsonians, you have the world at your fingertips, some of the best academic minds, and a Writing Center, there’s no excuse for such shoddy journalism.
Jane Feldmann • Feb 14, 2019 at 2:19 pm
Thank you, Leda, and thank you, Abigail.
I had been considering writing a response to the comments Leda received, but, for now, I think this article is excellently written. It should be obvious to anyone who truly read Leda’s article that she did not mean every white male. But even if she had, it would STILL be justified because there is no sich thing as racism against white people, due to the fact that, as this article also mentions, they have never had any similar level of societal discrimination at all comparable to people of color. Do I agree with everything Leda said? No; but I am a white woman. That privilege has allowed me not to have to experience those things; therefore, I cannot presume to understand what Leda has gone through. But the anger, frustration, and fed-up attitude that is obvious in Leda’s article is enough to prove that she is writing this from a place of absolute necessity. This young woman has had one too many experiences of being spoken over and seeing peers in similar desparate positions that she felt the need to voice her opinion, is more than enough to justify her article. The fact that hardly any Carlisle community response has been given to distributed KKK articles and yet this article has been widely condemned, speaks exactly to the type of priviledge Leda was brave enough to speak out against. Leda, be proud of what you have done. You don’t need me to tell you that you should not regret it for a moment. Dickinson should be proud to have such a thought-provoking student as you.
Tyler • Feb 14, 2019 at 2:17 pm
Doubling down on racism….not surprised
Garrett • Feb 14, 2019 at 1:54 pm
Ah yes, blaming the victim, I thought you all were against that? I think it’s hilarious that Leda could write such a disgustingly racist article and you still get people coming out of the woodwork to defend her and attack the people calling out the blatant racism.
If you want to talk about power dynamics, you’re already assuming every white person has some vague, metaphysical power because of the color of their skin which is pretty racist in itself. The fact is, Leda has a platform to share her ignorant rants and the school either doesn’t care about her racism or endorses it which means she has the power in this situation. If the roles were reversed the writer would not be protected and immediately condemned by the school + possibly expelled. Your power is what allows you to write this and somehow be free from blame that any white person would’ve been buried by.
KJ • Feb 14, 2019 at 1:15 pm
I thought the article was simplistic, offensive, and really short on critical reasoning. And some of Ms. Fisher’s quotes after the fact have the same flaws… such as saying “no institution has ever built a system around disenfranchising or marginalizing white men, so I am not a racist.”
Her article actually advocates for the creation of such a system… so her explanation is beyond bizarre.
With that said, I find the push to expel her from school equally simplistic, offensive, and short on critical reasoning. Whatever happened to turning these things into teachable moments, as opposed to deploying some half-baked knee-jerk reaction?
I disagree with that she wrote (as many people seem to). But are we really talking about ruining her life over it? Let’s all get a grip… and maybe remember some of the things we ourselves said and thought when we were young.
Erik Archer • Feb 14, 2019 at 1:13 pm
Are you kidding me? It wasn’t enough to publish an extremely racist article. You couldn’t just accept that to discriminate against all members of a certain RACE or SEX, is, by definition, RAC(E)ist and SEXist. Just for a little background on me, I graduated in 2017 from UPENN, and grew up in a white family. From these credentials, anyone in favor of these racist articles would probably stop reading right now. Yet, they would overlook that both of my biological parents are from China. Thus, I still have the right to speak my mind, according to your crazy fantasies. Anyone that believes that the average minority is oppressed is clinically insane. Stop using the remnants of real racism to justify your disgusting opinions. The author says that if the roles were reversed, they would surely be condemned. To agree with this point and still defend the article is to admit that you support discrimination. Racism is “the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races”. That is the DEFINITION of racism. It makes me sick that so many people still support racist opinions like this. If you’ve been discriminated against and you’re a minority, I apologize. Condemn those that actually discriminated against you. Quit generalizing an entire race. If I said that all black men were violent, and then instructed you to take a step back and think about if you have ever been violent, I would be degraded thoroughly. To be clear, I have many African-American friends, and would never believe such trash. But I also have lots of white friends. I refuse to discriminate against one group. Let us end racism now.
Yikes another hypocrite • Feb 14, 2019 at 11:41 am
Support racism when its whites on blacks AND support it when its blacks on whites. Don’t be a hypocrite and support black on white racism but cry foul when its white on blacks. I for one support neither and that is the correct moral decision.
Susanna • Feb 14, 2019 at 9:30 am
In no way the article offended me. I don’t get offended by reading things written by extremely ignorant people. To Leda: Yes, you are a racist. There are countries/cities/towns where white people are a minority. You are so ignorant and you have no sense of reality. You and people just like you (of any race) need to stop talking. It’s people like you that create problems in the world. And you’re supposed to be our future. What a terrible future.
If a white person wrote something like this, that person would be labled as racist and possibly face consequences. Stop racist opinions in colleges. You’re making things worse.
Timothy Johnson • Feb 14, 2019 at 9:29 am
You children are a joke. That behemoth Leda has only been oppressed by her own lack of intelligence. She’s marginalized by stupidity and, ironically, given a platform she hasn’t earned through the merit of being born black. Her “logic” is just a circle of hypocrisy that includes zero ability to see anything other than the ideas she’s been spoonfed by other dumb people.
She’s not racist because she has this magic definition that protects her from criticism… right. Well she’s a bigoted moron. And I would use the quote: “a rose by any other name…”
It’s horrific that someone can spew this garbage without being actually challenged intellectually. Your validation of her nonsense is equally sickening.